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[dopey]

With science and engineering both logic and intuition are used, or the left and right brain hemispheres.
Measuring is important to direct experiments and to prevent fooling yourself.
Even if an ICE runs smoothly on batteries, then that doesn't say a thing, it still could be 10% efficient and the fully charged battery could be drained in 5 minutes.
It's all about analyzing this single event, a single spark in this matter and check if the results are the same as graneau's.
Measuring the kinetic energy of a single discharge is a must if you want to know the COP and efficiency, or if the ice runs, it can be coupled to a generator, then also the COP can be determined.

But then again, I only talk  

Measuring is also important to determine whether a perceived "event" is really worth any trouble investigating!  Lots of "talk" and exchange of ideas and arguments is involved.  99% of scientific work that results in real discovery and development has to do with making sure you are not fooling yourself.  The other 1% has to do with imagination and exploration.  Seems the other way around here...

Yes...analyzing the single event...the single spark...that's what I'm after.  Where do I find "graneu's results" and experimental setup described for replication?  Please point that out...I missed it.

Thank you for your responses, all...

The sciences that have brought us all this far (all the tools you use, all the parts you use, all the test equipment you use, etc.) are "my sciences".  How people can take all that and use it while entirely rejecting the knowledge it is all based upon...wow..it's really ungrateful and arrogant sounding!

[WilbyInebriated]

Yes...analyzing the single event...the single spark...that's what I'm after.  Where do I find "graneu's results" and experimental setup described for replication?  Please point that out...I missed it.

if analyzing the single event is what you are after then GET AFTER IT, DO THE EXPERIMENT... how many people have to tell you this how many times?

science brought me this hammer? 
what is arrogant sounding is you gabbing on about "science" and refusing to do the experiment...
THAT IS what science is, performing an experiment and observing it.

gotoluc, flex those moderator powers... please delete this guys USELESS posts as well as my responses.

[jibbguy]

It is not "ungrateful" and "arrogant"... It is called invention You should try it some time, it really is more intellectually satisfying than trying to denigrate others' important work.

What is going here is by empirical means, in unexplored territory, and has to be because "your" methods have utterly failed... In that by refusing to study and pursue or report on these phenomena the scientific mainstream has left it up to the home experimenters with meager resources to do so... if we ever want to see any action on this front at all. Then one of their acolytes comes on and complains about our lack of resources to "do it the right way"? Lol.... 

As for whether there is good reason to pursue these experiments without every possible measurement being made first... Who are you to determine that? Most of us have eyes and ears and intuition that can help us make decisions without the scientific community's blessing. Results will tell... If it is not done in the most efficient way possible, then why is this so important that you people feel compelled to remind us of it at every opportunity? It would seem to not be for "helpful" reasons, but rather as a means of attacking the results that are so clearly evident by "labeling" and discrediting them (which in this case, is pretty hard to do, so good luck ).     

Scientific method would not entail making snide comments about failure (...which have no proof to back them), it would be rather disproving these events yourself, using your precious Method. So at least have the consistency to not judge without a study to back you (or your own data); otherwise you, like nearly every other naysayer we see around here (who BTW often have very similar writing styles), look rather like a hypocrite

[alan]

The Graneau experiments:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get93

Mechanics, mechanical devices are based on incorrect Newton's laws and not on quantum mechanics, because they suffice the needs. Same with electronics, simple models are used because they work. CED works, but believably it is incomplete.

Wilb, damn whiner. Waste of time.

[jamesneal6927]

Please understand this intent of this message and not henpeck the syntax.  Obviously I'm new to OU however I'm not new to mechanics, programming, or business (30+years) and an Master's degree in Business Administration (MBA).

I am not trying to discourage anyone; however, keep in mind that when this electric current is traveling down the wire to the spark plug there is the possibility that it can react to nature (lightening, etc) and cause undesirable effects.  Since Spark Plub Wires (SPW) crack over time this could be a great concern!  Research is being performed in the TPU threads about this exact occurance and just how detrimental it can be when not delt with properly; RF burns, machines torched, etc.

I am going to build a test unit as well and begin in earnest to get this working.  it is exciting and I'm tired of being forced to pay rediculous prices for things (gas, electricity, etc.) that don't cost that much to product.  I don't mind paying a reasonable price for something; hell, that's economics.  That's what makes the economies of the world tick.  Gouging, however, is not something I support; nor is underhanded dealings like forcing people like Steven Marks (TPU) to be quiet and fade away.

I'm almost positive that you (whomever discovers exactly how this works) will never get this into mass manufacturing; due to the economic impact it will have around the world.  At least not in our lifetimes. 

You will have to keep it public knowledge and try to educate the general population.  This will also have to be done by the entire group and not just one person.  That way, all the powers to be will not be able to control it.

In my humble opinion, our leaders (presidents, kings, etc.) are trying to figure out a way of keeping the money and economies of the world in the same hands before releasing the technology to the rest of the world.  Maybe make laws that control the use of certain frequencies or minerals (e.g. radio frequencies, radio active materials, etc).  Oh, haven't they already done that?  Now, how expensive is it for you to become a radio station.  What laws, permissions, etc. do you have to deal with?  How much do you have to pay?  They figured out how to keep the money and still provide the benefit for those technologies.  Obviously, there are some items that need to be controlled (e.g. radioactive materials, aviation frequencies, etc.).  There are so many more that you never hear about until you have made a discovery that they want to squelch.

Maybe each person could maintain a living document that is updated periodically as new discoveries or changes occure.  This document would include the tools used, materials needed to include quantities and possibliy even part numbers, schematics, step-by-step process they took to get where they currently are.  Then post the link along with a short discussion about what was discovered or changed.  I now this is a lot of work but the benefit can be immediate to future replicators.

This way, getting up to speed is MUCH faster and replicability becomes common.  Without this, everyone that wants to come into this process has to spend much of his/her time researching.

I'm not lazy, however, there is a lot of information that isn't relevant in forums.  I am just like most every other person in the world; very limited time to research/replicate.

Now that my diatribe is complete I would like to be pointed to 1 place where I can see the documentation on this and the schematics/instructions on how to proceed.  Reading 400,000 messages and filtering through all the stuff that is off topic makes my eyes bleed. LOL!

P.S.  I promise to stay on topic better in the future as well as short and sweet.