URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[alan]

Hello James, start reading the pdf one msg above yours.

[resonanceman]

With science and engineering both logic and intuition are used, or the left and right brain hemispheres.
Measuring is important to direct experiments and to prevent fooling yourself.
Even if an ICE runs smoothly on batteries, then that doesn't say a thing, it still could be 10% efficient and the fully charged battery could be drained in 5 minutes.
It's all about analyzing this single event, a single spark in this matter and check if the results are the same as graneau's.
Measuring the kinetic energy of a single discharge is a must if you want to know the COP and efficiency, or if the ice runs, it can be coupled to a generator, then also the COP can be determined.

But then again, I only talk

If  we can get an ICE  running smoothly   using plasma  but the battery  is drained in 5 minutes  we are 90% there .     from that  point  we would need to  make the prosess more efficient .......or   add an alternator  or 2


Why  is  Graneau  the one to compare with ?
If you read the thread  another here has    replicated  many  of   Graneau's  work  and found  many discrepencies  and misleading  statements.



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The  way an intuative thinks is  completely  different than the way a skeptic  thinks .
The intuative  looks for ways that  something might work .......even  if it  doesn't  fit  the " rules "
A skeptic   is llooking for ways  that things won't work ....... The " rules "   are  sacred to  skeptics


gary

[alan]

If  we can get an ICE  running smoothly   using plasma  but the battery  is drained in 5 minutes  we are 90% there .     from that  point  we would need to  make the prosess more efficient .......or   add an alternator  or 2


Why  is  Graneau  the one to compare with ?
If you read the thread  another here has    replicated  many  of   Graneau's  work  and found  many discrepencies  and misleading  statements.


gary

Won't added alternators drain the batteries even faster?
Because G. claimed excess energy.
I haven't seen the posts you talk about, remember which page?

[terry muller]

Hello guys,

can we imagine that the overunity of this process with water, is maybe coming from the transformation of natural monoatomic Hydrogen of H2O  into Hydrino: as Randel Mills from Blacklight explain us, hydrogen have a lot of energy behind his " ground level": his fondation " Blacklightpower" has now a lot of patents concerning this question: it's too late for others investisors

if interesting, you can find technicals informations at http://www.blacklightpower.com/

I'm coming from plasma technology and study the Gray tube, Corr?a tubes and naturaly this sp?cial double positives : today, for me, the  hydrino concept is for me the answer : Papp engine utilise this technology too, stanley meyer too: the Joecell alone is not solved by : why ? i don't know: some subtilities maybe !

hum ! don't mis this amasing hydrino, guys !  it's surrely what you 're surching for

terry M

[Grumpy]

Not to side with "dopey", but how is this spark discharge any different than a high energy spark discharge from a burner igniter such as those by Durag?  These ignitors will also blow water off the gap.  No RE required.  You are all aware that water vapor is a polar dielectric - aren't you?  and at a certain energy level it undergoes a sudden shift to conductive - hence the use of water in pulse capacitors but not steady capacitors.

I've read Aaron's schpeal on the Gray tube and the low voltage side is just a bias - which happens to be important.  The HV goes to a lower potential positive - a biased ground - like splitting the positive.  Notice the Gray tube has two grids - one within the other - I'm sure that is important.

Didn't s1r say that his timing was retarded like 37 degrees or something like that?  Definitely vapor at the point as it is after the full compression and expanding.  Didn't he mention brown gunk in the valve covers?  You oil get's like that with a blown head gasket - just water and oil mixes very well.  This leads me to think that the water is not igniting and I believe he said he didn't know if it did or not.  If the water is being expelled against the cylinder walls, the oil will absorb a little of it just like the carbon from ignition fumes. If  the water is not igniting, then the HHO perspective is out.  Also, I happen to know that it generally takes boo-koo current to inject water vapor through a plasma and crack it enough to run a car.

Anyway, keep it up guys - great working coming out of this thread.