URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[turbo]

Just a thought, how about using a tesla turbine with this set up? use a water injector and hit it with the spark/plasma discharge?

Hey Carl 

That was exactly what i was thinking.
If the pressure is high enough we might just drive a small turbine /dynamo construction.

Marco.

[gotoluc]

I am working with Krupa on the plugs. They use a special alloy that does not wear down like other plugs, and they give a plasma effect much easier than other plugs. High performance ignition is used just as he stated previously. Energy was stated previously as 1 joule or more. This of course is a stout supply and coil that can handle that level of energy input.

Hi UncleFester, thank you for letting us know that you are working with Mr. Krupa and about the special alloy needed for the plugs to last.

Do you think the MSD coil I chose will give good results?

Does Mr. Krupa know about this simple circuit wet?

Thanks for sharing

Luc

[gotoluc]

hi Luc

glad the cap after the FWBR helped

Hi Sandy, well I don't know if I would say it helped, it was more like a test to see if the voltage peaks were coming from the dc side of the bridge. Maybe there would be an advantage to synchronizing the cap charging at these peaks I don't have enough EE experience to conclude this. If anyone has an simple circuit idea that could do the synchronizing, please let me know and I will test to see if any advantages take place.

what value & rating cap did you use for C1?

The cap is 6.8uf 250 AC, so non polarized. Have a look at the video, I got this this cap out of those old heavy wood 30" color TV unit. I don't know why but this cap takes the best peak charges and give an amazing bang for its UF size I checked it on my capacitance meter and it is 6.9uf but gives the same kind of bang as my 22uf 350v polarized, which I also check on meter and it is actually 26uf. I don't understand that.

if you haven't added D2 i would strongly recommend it, if you intend to keep the relay in the circuit## - it will significantly reduce degradation of the relay switch contacts! - also adds the flyback energy from coil into  your charging cap (C2), but i don't know if you're trying to be energy-conscious with the circuit at the moment

Thanks I'll test this and let you know.

very interesting side-effects from your Krupa replication - would be interesting to know if the powered-off unit which showed LCD being energised would still behave the same if you could house it in some kind of faraday cage

I did try a Faraday cage over the complete circuit and it did not change much. The effect are in all the wires.

Thanks for your help, sharing and keeping an eye on this topic.

Luc

[gotoluc]

Hello Luc,

It would helpful if you could make a simple hand-drawing of the complete circuit so that we are not left speculating on this effect. It is important to knwo the exact figures of your leading coil ( L in Henry ), the max switch-amperage and volatage of the relais, values of the HV-Diodes and inductance of the primary ingnition-coil.

Also any digital-meter fails in showing the exact values while measuring pulse-modes. Although I accept your reluctance to get a bit more "scientific" I can assure you that it is very important to learn the minimum of methods known in electronics. I myself have lost a lage amount of time in "barking at the wrong tree" - so to say.

I agree on what nul-point was saying about your observation.

Input current is measured best be detecting the voltage-drop across a low-value resistor ( 1 Ohm, 25 Watt ) either with a true RMS meter in AC-mode before the rectifier or in DC-mode after the rectifier.

The link fo yours above does not work today, its says the server lead the enquiery around somewhere so it can never be answered

Anyway , first measure-methods have to be revised and a drawing would be helpful, so we can duplicate exactly.

Kator

Hi Kator,

I made a hand drawn circuit. If you or anyone else can make a clean one that would be great since I can include it at my first page as an update.

The Full Wave Bridge Rectifier is a standard off the self item 400v  5 amps or more if you wish.

The Air Core Charge Inductor I made is from a primary of a MOT that I cut out and recoiled it. The Inductor center opening is 38mm. The O.D. is 60mm and the width is 40mm. From what I can tell the Mag Wire is about 14 Gauge. The coils DC resistance is 0.4 Ohms and measures 2.23mH on my inductance meter.

The Relay is an Automotive 12vdc relay rated 40A/30A which is SPDT . I did not show the relay coil in the diagram since the black marker I was using is too large to show details. The relays rest position is on the bridge to cap. I use a 12vdc battery to activate the relay coil to discharge the cap to the coil and diode string.

The Capacitor is 6.8uf 250 AC (non polarized). I go this this cap out an old heavy wood 30" color TV unit. I don't know why but this cap takes the best peak charges give an amazing bang for its UF size   My capacitance meter says it is 6.9uf but gives the same kind of bang as my 22uf 350v polarized, which I also check on meter and it is actually 26uf. I don't understand that.

The Coil is an Automotive Coil made by Accel part on. 8140C. The Primary DC resistance is 1.3 Ohms and measures 6.46mH on inductance meter. Secondary DC resistance is 9.10 K Ohms and I cannot measure H on my meter.

The Diodes are a string of 1N5408 in series and are rated at 1000 volts at 3A each.

The Spark Plug used for spark gap is from a 3HP gas lawn mower engine that will be used for testing the circuit. Modifications to the plug are: I cut off the J electrode and also filed down the center electrode so both are at same level. With this mod. the Plug now has a 3mm gap. The plugs internal resistor has been removed and replaced with 3 pcs. of correct length 14 gauge solid copper wire to complete the contact.

I hope this is enough details for anyone to replicate.

Luc

[UncleFester]

Hi UncleFester, thank you for letting us know that you are working with Mr. Krupa and about the special alloy needed for the plugs to last.

Do you think the MSD coil I chose will give good results?

Does Mr. Krupa know about this simple circuit wet?

Thanks for sharing

Luc

We have used the MSD Blaster 2 and Blaster 3 on his plugs and they both work well, with the enhanced spark setup and without. Tests were run in the 20Hz to 300Hz range fired by a large Mosfet with snubbers on the output. Voltages from 10 to 150 volts were used and his plug seems to produce a more pronounced plasma compared to regular plugs. I have used up to 220uF flash caps but blew mosfets out under the larger capacitive discharges. I am switching to an SCR driven system like Lee's (AKA SMW1989A) for more robustness. We have also exploded water using the genuine Firestorm and the other brands and they work similar although the Firestorm explodes the water under much less energy than the others. We used Bosch platinum and many of the champion line and they just don't create the same plasma effect under the same energy levels. Almost appears to the eye that the Firestorm plugs create a ball of plasma inside the cage and you get flashes of flame? extending outside the cage as well. Similar to what you see in his earlier videos. Most of those tests were on run under 800mJ energy levels after the mosfets blew. We used the MSD ignition driver (Digital-6 Plus) which is half the energy rating we need. We have Crane cams drivers coming which are capable of 1.2 Joules. We will use those as a backup to the SCR driven and variac fed power supply we are building.

Once I have the large SCR bench test system up I will tell you of the results from the 2 to 6 joule range firing. Hopefully we can run constantly and really get some good test data from it. I'm not sure if Krupa's investor will allow us to post videos etc, but we will try to give basic data from the tests. The plugs should be in manufacturing shortly, although not any of the companies in the US or Bosch etc want to manufacture them for us because they last too long and they would not make any money from them (according to Bosch and others). Thankfully we have other options for production.