URGENT! WATER AS FUEL DISCOVERY FOR EVERYONE TO SHARE

[demios]

For alpeko,

Znam da pokusavas da zamenis razvodnik, ali ja ne bih jer to podrazumeva mnogo posla (osim za one koji vec imaju elektronski razodnik). Mislio sam da upotrebim neku vrstu plazma sistema kao sto je revizal uradio na svom mopedu i dzipu, ali nisam sasvim vican elektronici, pa sam pitao da li moje kolo moze da vrsi posao ? Poslednji kondenzator moze da izbaci maksimalno 200 mJ energije, sto je dosta, s obzirom da standardna varnica ima oko 50mJ (ako sam dobro procitao), ali nisam siguran da li banka od 6 kondenzatora iste vrednosti (ukupno 630V 6uF) moze da prati ritam punjenja/praznjenja koje motor diktira...tako da je moje pitanje bilo u tom smeru upuceno

Ja sam vec 2 godine u celoj ovoj prici sa vodenom maglom, HHO, plazmom i GEET sistemom, tako da znam sta pokusavaju da urade Ali, mislim da oni previse energije izbacuju iz C1 (dump cap) i da to ima za posledicu brze trosenje svecica. Sta ti mislis?

English:

I know you're trying to do with ignition system, but I thought I might try a simple circuit since I have and old ignition system, more like revizal did it, you know, simple circuit. In my schematic the dump cap can eject maximally 200mJ, which is a lot if you bare in mind that standard spark has only 50mJ (if I'm not mistaking). But, I was not sure whether the cap bank of 6 caps (total of 630V 6uF) can follow the pace of charge/discharge dictated by the engine? So my Q was in that direction

I'm in this whole story for 2 years, now, with HHO, water fog, plasma, GEET, so I know what they're trying to achieve here But I think, they're using too much power from C1, which causes the plugs to wear faster. What do you think (and the rest of you guys)?

Best wishes to all!

[alpeko]

For demios,

Reci mi odakle si ti demios.Ja sam iz Beograda.I ja nista ne pokusavam.Ja sam inzinjer telekomunikacija i bavim se satelitskim i kablovskim sistemima vise od 30 godina profesionalno.
Automobili i jaka struja nisu moj interes.Ovu sam semu postavio,kao i neki link za onog spanca iznad sto trazi za motor CDI.Kad pises "poslednji kondenzator moze da izbaci maksimalno 200mJ...", ne znam na koju semu mislis.Pitao si me za pezo, da li ono kolo moze da zameni tvoje paljenje.Energija u mJ je E=1/2 C*V^2.Znaci napon je sa kvadratom.Veci napon je bolje.MSD CDI ide na oko 500V.
Dodavanjem niskog napona(300_500) volti sa 30-45KV na svecici ,stvara se efekat plazme.Vodena para na samoj svecici se pretvara u vodonik i kiseonik i sagoreva.Ili mi mislimo da je tako ? Konkretne efekte i ustede tek treba dokazati.Krajnji cilj je direktno ubrizgavanje vode i sagorevanje pomocu plazme.Kao sto su radili Mayer i Puharic.Dobro si primetio da je 6uF malo previse.Svi moderni CDI sistemi koriste oko 1uF ali na naponu 300 - 500V. Sto veca struja na svecici vise se trose.Sto je veci napon manje se trose...Veca energija vise  steti svecici.Sto se tice ritma punjenja i praznjenja,sve se moze izracunati...Ako ti nesto konkretno treba , ja sam tu.

Pozdrav

In english: Serbian traslated

This schematic I posted for my spanish motorbike friend,who asked for substitute CD ignition.I explain plasma efect on spark plug,and voltages on CD ignition.I think that simple oscilator from gmeast,on this moment, is very best for testing efect on spark plug.CDI and invertors is more complicated and must have knowledge for building this.Inverter without isolated transformer,don't working.Because chip in output oscilator,protect inverter ,and shut down.Hand made osc, is very best.

Regards
Alpeko

[demios]

I ja sam iz Beograda, izvinjavam se sto se nisam lepo predstavio. Zovem se Dimitrije i studiram prava, ali me alternativna energija i ovakve zanimacije jako interesuju.

Sto se tice seme, evo ga link za semu koju sam nacrtao, samo kliknite:

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5928/plasmaeg3.jpg

Ona je uradjena prema revizalovom sistemu koji je ugradio u svoj Nissan Terrano, tako da je sema funkcionalna, ali sam ja dodao 630V kondenzatore umesto jednog velikog 250V 47uF.

Na ovoj adresi ima da se izracuna koliko dzula sadrzi kondenzator: http://www.electronics2000.co.uk/calc/calcchrg.php Pa sam shvatio da mi je 630V 1uF (198.45 mJ) sasvim dovoljno. Princip rada mi je jasan, kao i to sa vodom i vodonikom. Postavio sam vam pitanje, vise iz nesigurnosti nego iz neznanja i neshvatanja principa rada i instalacije sistema. Posto sam poceo da se edukujem o elektronici pomocu stapa i kanapa nisam siguran uvek u svoj sud.

Sada sam zakljucio da mi ne treba OSC, vec prosto kolo. Voleo bih da mi objasnite kako da izracunam ritam punjenja i praznjenja.

Hvala unapred.

English:

I'm also from Belgrade, pardon me for not introducing myself. My name is Dimitrije and I study law, but am very interested in free energy and such.

As far as the schematic goes, here it is:
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5928/plasmaeg3.jpg

It's basically Revizal's circuit but with different capacitors, like the one he put on his Nissan Terrano.
On this address http://www.electronics2000.co.uk/calc/calcchrg.php you can calculate the energy of a capacitor, so that is what I used when I decided to use 630V 1uF dump cap instead of 250V 47uF cap. The Q I asked you was more a consequence of my lack of certainty in my electronic skills, than my misunderstanding of the principles of work.

I realized now, that I do not need OSC, so I'll use a simple circuit. BTW, can you explain to me how to calculate the charge/discharge rate and energy needed?

Best wishes, Dimitrije.

[alpeko]

For demios,

Ok Dimitrije,

Trebao si odmah da kazes.Vidim da si ti dobro ovo proucio.Na ovom linku imas objasnjeno kako se kondezator puni i prazni.


http://us.tdk-lambda.com/hp/pdfs/application%20notes/93008500rC.pdf

In english:

On this link is some explanation about capacitor charge and,stored energy and times to ch/disch.


Best regards.

Alpeko

[jenkins25]

Thanks Alpeco!!!

First I just order a new pickup reluctor for my bike, because mine is not good (no flow current after push starter motor button).I´m not sure but I think
reluctor has 2 signals at 12 and 36 degrees.
I´m not if  I will be able to make your circuit, because electronics is a unknown world for my but I will try.I need your advice, where can I buy this circuit list of components,online or a phisical electronics shop?
I don´t know if in a electronics shop I´ll find input comparator with histeresis, dwell reference buffer, current limit sense etc. My bike has 12V  battery, 2 double coils for 4 cilinders. Also in my country we have 220 Vac.

Best regards and thanks for you patience.