Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !

[poynt99]

A thought that may be getting overlooked:

Seems all are looking only at static conditions. Butch's device works well as a form of field direction converter, from horizontal to vertical force.

But replace the PM's with a coil (as Dave has alluded to) and try pulsing them to move the washers up and down rapidly, and it becomes a whole different ball game. Hello Mr. Lenz. Those washers are like a shorted turn so if eddy currents flow in them, they're going to produce their own opposing field, and the movement is no longer "free".

Maybe one of Dave's "optimizations" was to change the washer into a broken ring, similar to a "C" clip. This will minimize flux and eddy currents and the resulting Lenz effects.

So before a "dynamic" application can be successful, more research and a proof of concept may be required. If someone has already done this, then great... Speak up please.

[infringer]

Speak up indeed I second that opinon design phase needs some good mesure ...

I dunno I have only tested the washers with magnets on a dowel so far and it works perfectly...

Beyond that the guess work moves on down the line anyone care to share...

PESE seemed to show an interesting motor expiriment on youtube... I would also like to know how this here links with the rest of this thread but might wanna take this into consideration...

-infringer-

[broli]

You could use this same idea to to make a gravity wheel.

[newton2]

Hello Honoured OVERUNITY-FORUM-Profiles !

Thanks about Your various interesting contributions for to
woulddiscuss about the proposed Methods-Idea(the Topic)....
and aligned and modified similar Methods-Ideas  !!

This modest Reply is worded for to intend to be
meant especially for some Other OU-Researchers also
having performed with the further-in-my-text
brierfly explained "OU-functions-Pointes"....
such Other OU-Researchers will quickly "identify" my
Wordings compared to such Other OU-researchers´s
Own Respective  Researchings in similat OU-Methods....!!


Might I kindly briefly comment by these few Aspects-points :


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The Honoured Forum-Administrator DOES mention about a
functional circumstance :
namely Electrical-Currents-Coil interacting per H-fluxes/E-H-Electrodynamics
with some permeabilities-objects-materials........
SUCH DOES FUNCTION ,
IF/WHEN THERE IS PROPER CARE FOR
BOTH THEORIES & INTENDED AIM OF OVERUNITY
IN DESIGNING FOR AN OU-ACTING.....!!

THOUGH IN CARE FOR EVALUATING PER THEORIES:
The H-magnetical-Field/Flux from the permeabilities-
Objects interacting "back"-on/interacting on
the Electrical-Coil per "Inducing" EMF in the
Coil´s Turns, when the TOTAL H-Flux in the
Coil is ALTERED.....!!
(Thus then are NOT usable any every arbitrary Objects-Forms/
Sizes/Locations related to the Electrical Coil..
though rather some selected-for Situations of
Objects-sizes and the Way of moving such Objects
of permeabilities-properties)
YES....THe SELF-OSCILLATING PENDULUM of
such an Arrangement of H-magnetical-Fields-interactings
between Objects and Coil.....
WHAT of  FORCES ......WHAT of VELOCITY-VECTORS.....
WHAT of induced EMF back/into Coil´s Turns are involved.....

Though there are "only" some "few" critically optimized Design-Layouts
of such Methods........
really delicate to get the few procents of OU per "Proces-running-through"
to "feed" into the System for to either make more "swinging" or
to "extract" to surroundings some "Energy" for quite other Purposes !!

At least to briefly summarize to :
to realize about the 3-DIM-appearing H-Fields in the all of
Situation.........
Classical Electro-Magnetics and Magneto-Statics might suffice for
good realizations of optimized Layouts........
and the Common Classical ElectroDynamics about
Inducing EMF in Coil´s Turns per Altered H-flux in
the Effective Coil´s "Inner-Areas" can fairly easy be
realized about....yes,even one of the most easily
calculated Situations alæso appears to be one of
the most "OU-giving" Layouts to "should" use.......
(The LayOut appears by a calculative Maths-Method
somehow like "supposing for nill H-flux-altering in the
Coil´s Turns-Inner-Areas"-and-then-evaluate-about-
the-Objects-Paths-for-to-have-nill-alterings-of-H-flux....etc,etc !!)

Might I kindly briefly add ,
that once-upon some 26 Years back in Time I demonstrated
both in Theories and practical Layouts BOTH to the Honoured ADMINISTRATOR´s
REPLY´s-technical-Idea....AND to the "delicate" nearby-to.-EAchOthers
Permeabilities-Materials as being H-influenced from an Exterior Distant
other H-magnetical-Fierld !

And when Discussing about such Methods-Ideas as mentioned in The Topic
and in the associated continued-going-on-Replies,
THEN perhaps rather much of explanative Wordings have to be involved...
OF COURSE "BETTER" TO CLEARLY SKETCH.....
WELL-THEN,THOUGH THEN ALSO TO "GIVE-AWAY" ALL OF
THE RESEARCHINGS !!

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WKR & have Yourselves a nice Day and Weekend and a pleasant Autumn !

And Thanks about Yourimportant idealistical Contributions to the Course of OU
per Your various many interesting important suggested Ideas & Methods &
Links & Articles,etc !

[Yucca]

I am kind of lost but ...

Here is my idea using yucca's design...

Imagine if you will a clock

Now think of the operation of this desgin.

Now imagine if you will the wheels of this design are simply driven by 1 load of current say a rechargeable battery running a floppy drive motor so the wheels are gears and the shaft of the motor is modified to turn these gears (The two wheels)

Instead of having say 1 magnet on each wheel let us have 12 magnets on each wheel.

Instead of the magnets influencing 1 piston have them influence 12 pistons at each position on the clock we will have a seperate piston.

These pistons each drive there own wheel and if we wished to delve further these wheels could turn yet more pistons the vastness of this is only limited to your imagination. We could expand wheels to the heavens and create a network of power generation all off of this single fanner magnet load in my mind this principal would work.

http://www.energyinfringer.com/fanner-magnetic-engine-free-at-last-free-at-last-t182.html

Nice idea for maximum power out for a certain sized mechanical device. Maybe If you had different number of pistons to mags then the cogging would be more evened out, so say 12 mag pairs on wheels (30deg spacing) and 11 pistons around (32.7 deg spacing), then they would all be firing at slightly different times, this would mean you could get away with a smaller flywheel weight. Then all 11 pistons could be geared back to the central mag wheel using nice free nylon gears, that design would give good torque.

Errr I dont get the design that stephan talks of using a cap and a coil hrmmm... I'm curious though...

Sounds interesting cap discharges to create electromagnet in coil? Then Coil fires piston for one cycle. The mechanical load then recharges the cap then the cap discharges again? Is this the deal?

Anyone care to eleaborate further on this idea... With the coils and the cap I know a picture may be a lot to ask but helpful.

Stephans idea uses electronic timing to make the flux change in the steel plates, when the coil is energised the plates will seperate, when the coil is turned off the plates will relax and not exert seperation force anymore. So by timing the coils correctly you could have the plates drive a crank and flywheel.

The good thing about using moving permanent magnets as opposed to an electronic setup is that the wheel itself could be surrounded by coils to extract the free energy, the wheel is then a generator in its own right.

The good thing about electronic setup would be the ability to have a microcontroller to give dynamic tuning so that as more load was applied then the timing could be altered to optimise power output.

Using pulsed coils would still require permanent mag in a seperate generator unit to extract the free energy so in my mind it seems a slightly more complex build. But of course if the effect is real then both methods should work fine.