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Magnetic OU principle, You should really take a look at this !

Started by Butch, July 02, 2008, 01:01:34 PM

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Ergo

Quote from: wizkycho on October 10, 2008, 07:23:45 AM
If You still don't see BALANCING OU Try Hildebrand (magnetic transistor...)
The Hilden-Brand device has no amplifying effect. It only reroutes the flux. Calling it a magnetic transistor is wrong.
And there is no proof of overunity when using the Hilden-Brand device in a motor. No matter what Jack himself tells us.
I have eperimented a lot with Jacks valve lately but I have not yet seen any overunity.
In all my experiments there was no net gain from the increased force. Simply because the magnet in the circuit shifted the B/H
curve of the iron and I had to reverse it back when rerouting the flux. This took the same amount of energy as the magnet added.

Quote from: wizkycho on October 10, 2008, 07:23:45 AM
You sound like you never tried to unstuck NdFeB two magnets one from another
I have worked with the largest and most dangerous magnets in my day jobb. No hidden mysteries there.

Regarding the rest of your "explanation" it's still just rambling. Nothing you say makes any sense on how to obtain the 50:1 overunity.
Even if you eliminate the "sticky points" that you refer to as cogging, then you still have to add energy to create movement.
If not it will not rotate or move back and forth or what ever you desire. There is no free lunch here.

If you see something here I don't, then please enlighten me using good technical terms in a friendly calm explanation.
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I have read you new post. Still no words on how to obtain the 50:1. Just a flashy GIF on movement.
How will you keep the input 50 times lower than output? You should know that balancing magnets towards each other cannot yield overunity.

wizkycho


The Hilden-Brand device has no amplifying effect. It only reroutes the flux. Calling it a magnetic transistor is wrong.
Permanent Magnet is SOURCE (infinite) of flux. small flux input - large flux change at output (ring a bell !) small current input -
large current change at output. how would you call it rerouter !?, no matter how we call it it has same effect on output AMPLIFICATION.

And there is no proof of overunity when using the Hilden-Brand device in a motor. No matter what Jack himself tells us.
well don't use it as motor use it HERE with Lafonte fanners - moving part (fanner) is allways close, unlike rotors...
I have eperimented a lot with Jacks valve lately but I have not yet seen any overunity.
In all my experiments there was no net gain from the increased force. Simply because the magnet in the circuit shifted the B/H
curve of the iron and I had to reverse it back when rerouting the flux. This took the same amount of energy as the magnet added.
I have worked with the largest and most dangerous magnets in my day jobb. No hidden mysteries there.
All other experiments are with positive results (only in this topic) here prove You Wrong - flux at output is amplified, oh yes it is !Coil and magnet develops many times (3 to 4) more force than only coil itself... it is TRUE, we only need best way too utilize it.
Please show us Your negative experiment.Material not adequate ? you have used too strong magnets parhaps? To many RPMS ?


Regarding the rest of your "explanation" it's still just rambling. Nothing you say makes any sense on how to obtain the 50:1 overunity.
Again
Energy Peak is lost or most of it (heat or break) within intramolecular excahnge in mass of material if too short Peak (and here is short) no matter how Powerfull that energy peak is. so even Flywheel can not help cogged setup.
Even if you eliminate the "sticky points" that you refer to as cogging, then you still have to add energy to create movement.
but only for overcome friction, not additional losses of strongshortpeaked energy - inertia related.
If not it will not rotate or move back and forth or what ever you desire. There is no free lunch here.
Lots of Free Lunch here, see my prev animation.

If you see something here I don't, then please enlighten me using good technical terms in a friendly calm explanation.
We need only to find I think way to gather fanner forces to one energy extraction point...
I was somehow harsh cause I saw someone disccarding very legitimatly OU idea like something that cat brought in.


wiz

wizkycho

And Yes

When I think One can here Rhumble And Thumble and Rhoooam...

Wiz

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still don't see it

can we agree that magnet can easily trevel from one fanner to other no stickys at all ? (I say Yes)
can we say that energy for moving (mechanicall friction) magnet is 1/10th of energy that fanner can develop ? (I say Yes - it is very possible to have that strong magnets and taht low friction )

Multiplay magnet pairs by five (make this gif longer, more fanners...). pure mechanicall friction stays 1/10th. mechanical energy of all fanners is now 5 times greater so 1/50 of force of magnets goes to friction. here is your 1/50 OU mode.

Please Ergo tell me that you see it now.

Ergo

Can you make a better view/animation on the "free lunch" of the this contrapment? This GIF showed nothing vital.
It should help everybody to grasp what you are trying to tell us. Your english is very bad and it's difficult to follow your resoning.

Please do not mix colored sentences in this way of yours.
Keep your replies separated down below the questions or remarks you are answering.
That will make it a lot easier for us to render what you mean.

Last but most important. How is the power sequence of the motor looking?
When do you add energy, and how often, and for how long?
Don't forget that energizing a coil at on/off is not the same as being static energized.
It takes a lot more power to overcome the high inductance of an electromagnet at high speeds compared to static mode.
You need to raise the voltage, thus also the power, just to get the fast rise time of the coil current you desire in a motor.

wizkycho

Hi Ergo ! (for the last time)

you are again rude. why ? cause you are blind - it is your choice

Even much simpler english then mine is sufficient to describe to smart open minded how it works.

draw yourself better picture , You are the one that reffuses to understand. Like a child (they are ok, but You should now better)

protocol for good behaviour of Yours:
In the future You must say Why something is not working, and not just spit if you don't see it at first. After you truly see it
you must admitt that You were blind and at least say thanks - cause I made an effort to make You See.

Stay Ignorant ! If you wan't or say thanks I see it now. Don't waste My TIME by NOT addmitting YOU WERE WRONG.
other way you'll be more and more wrong.

take advice from the best

Wizard