Gravity Motor Patent 7/10/08

[TinselKoala]

Are there any of you brainiacs who think you understand magnetism and gravity? I watched a show that dealt with quantum physics and part of it basically stated that science can't fully understand the principles. Don't magnets and gravity break your laws of physics? Isnt a magnet pulling a paper clip breaking some rule? And where does that energy come from? The fact that mass has gravity? Where does that come from? Where does the matter go into a singularity? Out a white hole? How does it get there? Through a worm hole? Is the matter time traveling? Does time even exist?

Ok enough fun, dont wanna shift the thread just kidding guys.

Ow. my head hurts... LOL

LOL is right!!
Guess what: no experiment, no phenomenon, nothing in the real world is able to violate the "laws" of physics. What really happens is that a new phenomenon may be discovered that appears to violate some law. If the phenomenon is real, then the laws must be rewritten to accommodate it. The perfect example in this context is Newtonian gravitation. It was OK as long as we couldn't make really good measurements, but even so there were discrepancies that we could measure, but couldn't explain (like the precession of Mercury's perihelion, for example.) These discrepancies (and others) hinted that Newton's gravitation was at best incomplete, and at worst simply wrong. So folks like Minkowski, Einstein, and that Copenhagen mob doodled up a more complete and more accurate Theory. Someday when we can make the right measurements, we will have to discard General Relativity and adopt something better. This does not mean that the new, deeper measurements are revealing violations of some physical "law."  What it means is that the theory behind the existing "laws" is, at best incomplete and at worst, simply wrong.
(Newtonian physics is so good that we were able to soft-land land a robot probe on Saturn's moon Titan, using Newtonian dynamics and "law" of gravitation. That's pretty darn good shootin', for a "wrong" law, if you ask me.)

[TinselKoala]

I showed the build to one of my colleagues today and he instantly came up with a good idea. In mond's patent app the first embodiment uses ferromagnetic pins to retain the sliding magnets at the ends of their travel. We realize however that the pins will be attracted to the stator magnets and will make an even worse "wall" to overcome.

BUT: instead of pins retaining the magnets, use a continuous iron wire of the right (small) diameter going all around the periphery of the wheel, and a similar wire or ring on the inside. There will be no wall added as the wire or ring goes all around with no gaps; the small sliders will be retained by the wire at either extreme of travel, until the next stator pushes the magnet away.
I haven't tried it but it seems logical.

[dudeman750]

Yes, TK but if we simplify this down to a lever on a fulcrum, wont gravity always pull equal weight on the longer side down? Is that not what this is in its simplest form? Im no mechanical engineer or PE but that is what I see when I reduce this machine down  in my mind. Am I wrong? I feel like I have been following along with all of you who are very much more educated than me fairly well. Im no genius but through the years I have done a lot of optical, mechanical and electrical work and tinkering. For me maybe not knowing all the LAWs of physics and energy make it simpler to see. Don't get me wrong, im still not sure if this thing will work or not. Im on the fence totally. I have listened to both sides of the coin and still no one has definitavely  said " this will not work because of _______" reason. All of you keep saying it goes against a law or theory and im just hard headed enough to want to see for myself. Thats probably the only reason im still onboard and active besides supporting my friend.

Just my 2 cents worth again. If you tell me im an idiot it won't bother me a bit. Im still young enough not to care... LOL  (much) lol

[LarryC]

Sorry,

But TinselKoala is playing everybody for a fool.

Regards, Larry

[TinselKoala]

Sorry,

But TinselKoala is playing everybody for a fool.

Regards, Larry

Hmm--let's see. I've put in nearly two fulltime days building a mondrasek wheel (this is work for which I could have billed 800 dollars), I've sketched a design variant, I've tried to explain clearly the conventional explanations of why it won't work, I've posted photos and videos, I've given educational links...and I'm playing everybody for a fool.
Thanks, Larry, for the heads up.
Better look out!! The EVIL SKEPTIC is gonna get you!!!