Linnard?s hydrogen on demand system without electricity !

[mikestocks2006]

ResinRat2, nice investigative work there.
Folks, thanks for following up

[Trump]

ResinRat2, Dingus Mungus,

Looks like you two are heading this project up and doing a fine job of it. I finally  got through reading all of the post's from number one all the way through.

Things have changed a lot over the last few Months.  If I got it right ResinRat2, you were thinking that your plating may have not been done good enough ,or properly? Could it be that the parts should be sent out and be plated at a regular plating facility? There is a BIG difference between plating by hand ( dipping ) and at a plating company.

You two are carrying this project all alone, I am not saying that everyone should send some money, but if something is needed, maybe some of us other people looking on can help support your efforts, by looking up some information or even getting some parts if needed.

At this point you may or may not think you are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel, but you can say that you have made a lot of progress in the last few months.


Regards


Trump

[ResinRat2]

Hi Trump,

You know, at first I just kind of blew off your suggestion and didn't really consider it, but your idea might actually not be a bad one. If a perfect thin coating of zinc were placed on an aluminum rod it would prevent the "leakage" for sure. Then I would know what would actually build up on the aluminum rod without hydrogen gas leaking out of breeches in the coating and eating away the aluminum surface. I would also be sure that residual NaOH solution trapped between the zinc/aluminum interface wouldn't be causing a problem as well.

I was thinking of using a series of dip/dry cycles. Dip the aluminum rod, let it coat briefly, then pull it out and let it dry. Do this several cycles to be sure no holes are in the coating; but your idea would solve that problem. Give me a bit and let me consider how this could be done.

Thanks for your idea.

[Dingus Mungus]

Alternate the aluminum between the hydroxy solution and a weak acid. (like vinegar or coke) The weak acid and strong base will cancel each other out to form water and stop the oxidation of the metals. Once dried repeat process. The problem is after several hours of this the reduction that occures is going to oxidize the aluminum no matter what you do.

2Zn(OH)4 + Al2O3 = 2Zn(OH) + 2Al(OH)3 + 3O2

So there is the reduction and gas release... As you can see the only gas being liberated is the oxygen contained by the Alumina. If someone else has a better theory of what is occuring in this new reaction, I hope you'll be so kind as to share it with us. Unfortunately though at this time it appears this method of reduction will only cause the cell to consume more metalic fuels.

~Dingus

[ResinRat2]

Hmmm Dingus, not sure of the chemistry; but I don't know if there will really be an advantage to this angle. I looked over the patent and, unless I missed it, I don't see this method of zinc reduction. All that is mentioned is the process that uses the Mg colloid to reduce the zinc, and the use of electric potential to also reduce the zinc.

I think with the fuel cell we will have enough excess amps to accomplish this and run a load, so I feel, at this time, that I agree with you. This may not be the angle to pursue right now. Maybe if Dr. Linnard would like to elaborate on the advantage of the aluminum-zinc electrode method and help us to see why this would be preferred it would be a great help to understanding what we are missing. I am definitely no expert in electro-chemistry. I think I will try and look into it a bit more, but my experimental results still end up consuming the aluminum electrode, which is what I would like to avoid. Still, he wanted us to try this for some reason. I'll keep digging and see what I can find out.

I think I'll take a sample of the blob to work and run an FTIR analysis. See if I can identify it.

Thank you everyone for your interest.