Solved! How Edwin's tube and Paul Baumanns machine works.

[aether22]

I have figured out how to make Gray's conversion tube work.

The main key is capacitance between the center electrode and the (holy) cylinders.
By using a battery to charge the cylinders positivly and the center electrode negativly (relativly speaking) you get a greater radiant release of electrons.

If it does not work then simply raise the voltage applied between the cylinders and the central conductor, the idea is to pack more electrons into the cylinder and therefore the radiant event will be larger!

The energy is then not from those electrons, they have mostly left thanks to the holes in the cylinder (and the energy they are shot out with), the energy comes from having the positive charges on the cylinder remain, the cylinder is now effectivly a 1 terminal capacitor and that raises the voltage a great deal!  (just like those electrostatic induction machines that charge a 2 terminal capacitor only to seperate the other plate to raise the voltage significantly)

Electrons could rush from other parts of the circuit to the center electrode so you need to block that, he did that by making the electrode positive! (yes, it's voltage was comparativly negative compared to the more positive cylinder but it is still positive)

You then only have to extract work from that now increased voltage, by putting a load (transformer/motor/light bulb) between it and the central conductor.

I am sure Paul Baumann (Testkica) did the same with his device.

I realized this by looking at the work of Joseph Hiddink who did the same thing, he used tubes filled with neon or argon placed inside a cylinder, he would light up the tube in a conventional way and then apply the + of a DC supply to the cylinder and the - to the plasma (the plasma acta as a capacitor plate), on turning the plasma off by physically breaking the connection the electrons in the plasma would disappear (radiated away as per Tesla) leaving the positivly charged cylinder now at a much greater voltage.

You must however keep the voltage between the central plasma/electrode relatively low and don't make the thing too large because you will otherwise kill your electronic equipment (if not the neighbors) and maybe cause a lightening stroke to find you, yes really.

Only requirements to Hiddinks version being that the gas be swift to extinguish (possibly not fluorescent tubes then?) and not coated with any powder, it may also help that UV can make it out of the tube).
He actually recommended UV fluorescent tubes (ones used for sterilizing that let out all the loverly deadly UV (A, B & C), not the black light ones or tanning ones) although if they don't work then get then refilled with pure neon/argon.

Others have replicated his effect successfully BTW, and he is still alive. (I got some of the above info from emailing him and a phone conversation)


So there are 3 things to take from this.

1: Capacity between the central electrode and the outer cylinders is very important, larger is generally better. (though you can go too far)
In short the radiant effect revolves around charges being carried off in certain conditions and the more excess electrons you have the more there are to be carried off. (as for positive charges being made to disappear I suspect that would only occur from plasma not metal)

2: In John Bedini's sketch of the actual tube the cylinders were over the arc not just the electrode, this may have been critical as the radiation from the arc would seemingly be far greater than any radiant release from metal, also the air can make an especially bad capacitor plate when not in a plasmic state.  So use plasma as a plate in preference to copper.

3: Edwin's effect is likely the same one that Joseph has demonstrated so effectively (clearly both are radiant charges but most likely both have the same function of leaving the cylinder charged), and that is not cylinders picking up electrons from a radiant event, but cylinders avoiding electrons from a radiant event making their electrical capacity much lower and hence the voltage much much higher.


This now seems rather straightforward to replicate Edwins device and get Free Energy.
However it must be noted that there are both real dangers from charging this variable capacitor too high so start low, start at 12v and go slowly upwards.
And UV exposure will give you bad burns and cancers in no time so ensure if you do run arcs/plasma/UV bulbs that you put a UV shield somewhere between you and the device.

Also it is unlikely to be of an especially dangerous type but this will radiate electrons liberally. (Much like the electricity from Ed's tube which was similarly non-shocking)

I am somewhat more focused on research regarding pulling and pushing EM fields but this is tempting so I may do some work on it, but I would say this is an excellent possibility for anyone who has reasonable skill and safety.

note: Yes, I have posted this under a different title but chose to reboot the thread with a decent first post.

[aether22]

One more thing.

The greatest difference between Hiddink's radiant effect and the others is that he doesn't have a radiant pulse.
It seemingly happens when you extinguish the plasma.

But that doesn't sound quite right does it?

Stiffler however pointed out that disconnection of the power supply for the tube will send out a pulse, and of course it absolutely will as it has a ballast (choke inductor).

So there is a pulse!

This then should amend any version above that has just the HV, it won't work without a radiant pulse, yes you still need the pulse, he did the switching by hand. (and later via a pvc pipe as it almost broke his arm, yeah he kinda overdid it)


Oh, and one more 'one other thing', though I believe it is poor compared to HV or special pressures/gasses to create a plasma you can conduct electricity through a flame:
http://www.sparkbangbuzz.com/flame-amp/flameamp.htm
Who knows, a glass/quartz tube, Al foil, a bunsen burner, an autoignition coil for the pulse and a variable DC voltage source for the flame and you could maybe induce lightening to hit you, good times!

[aether22]

Stiffler brought up a good point in private communication, if it is related to plasma turning off, then it will work better if both ends are disconnected as Hiddink shows, and it is always best to replicate as close as practicable.

While it is possible that it is the pulse or turning off of current that creates the effect if the plasma turning off full disconnection may help, although it does not appear that Edwin disconnected both ends his battery and diode (and DC HV source) may have played a critical part in extinguishing the plasma quick fast despite remaining connected on one end, it is also maybe possible that Ed's circuit is not accurate?

It is possible that the different gases have different requirements, air plasma readily dies quite fast.

Seriously people, 2 replies to myself?  If someone doesn't say something I am going to be unable to post anymore myself for fear of looking all too lonely and lame.

I thought Peter Lindeman had popularized Gray's tube?

[DrStiffler]

Stiffler brought up a good point in private communication, if it is related to plasma turning off, then it will work better if both ends are disconnected as Hiddink shows, and it is always best to replicate as close as practicable.

While it is possible that it is the pulse or turning off of current that creates the effect if the plasma turning off full disconnection may help, although it does not appear that Edwin disconnected both ends his battery and diode (and DC HV source) may have played a critical part in extinguishing the plasma quick fast despite remaining connected on one end, it is also maybe possible that Ed's circuit is not accurate?

It is possible that the different gases have different requirements, air plasma readily dies quite fast.

Seriously people, 2 replies to myself?  If someone doesn't say something I am going to be unable to post anymore myself for fear of looking all too lonely and lame.

I thought Peter Lindeman had popularized Gray's tube?

@aether22
As of this hour, I would strongly suggest that unless you are above average in electronics (mainly HV) that you DO NOT try this for a few more days. As pointed out, 'THIS IS NOT A TOY'.

DO NOT do a typical junk box setup and think you are going for broke to power the house and get all stupid and wild with the charge potential. You will not be here to reap the benefit..........

[DrStiffler]

@People

If anyone thinks my last post is a joke or BS, think again.