How a Testatika motor works?

[sm0ky2]

i have come across something intweresting while playing around with perforated alimunum tubes is varyig sizes.

start with 4 tubes, 2 small and 2 larger,
put the small ones inside the larger ones.

now connect your static machine to the center tubes.
one charges -  the other +
and at the same time the outer aluminum takes on an opposite charge, thus doubling the charge produced by the machine with the same number of turns.

Paul said the cans in the testatika machine have upwards to 20+some layers of perforated aluminum in them.,...

if each layer induces 'extra' charge in this manner, could that be the source of the great current produced?

[Steven Dufresne]

@sm0ky2,
Are you using a Wimshurst machine? And do you mean that in place of the left Leyden jar you put a small tube inside a large tube and the same for the right Leyden jar? How are you observing there's more charge?
-Steve
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[onthecuttingedge2005]

i have come across something interesting while playing around with perforated aluminum tubes is varying sizes.

start with 4 tubes, 2 small and 2 larger,
put the small ones inside the larger ones.

now connect your static machine to the center tubes.
one charges -  the other +
and at the same time the outer aluminum takes on an opposite charge, thus doubling the charge produced by the machine with the same number of turns.

Paul said the cans in the testatika machine have upwards to 20+some layers of perforated aluminum in them.,...

if each layer induces 'extra' charge in this manner, could that be the source of the great current produced?

Hi Smoky.

the area of potential charge is the total area and or volume with which a charge may adhere statically on its surface, so adding layers does increase potential but is still limited to the amount of potential charge difference you put in.

the best cap tech to use are Aerogel Caps because they have the potential for the highest surface area of all known materials. you still only get out what you put in. now, since Aerogels are transparent and can have different properties you can combine these properties to function as a whole.

for instance, I can combine Aerogel solar technology and Capacitor technology all into one unit sharing the same layers of Aerogel material.

it would be a Solar Cell Capacitor system. converting Solar energy into electrical potential and storing that charge in the same layer system as a capacitance storage material.

Later Gator.
Jerry

[sm0ky2]

charge potential measured by a series of spark-gaps.

i can adjust themese to make longer or shorter sparks, and of course inconsistencies can arrise due to ionization of the surrounding air. some of my spark-gaps are slealed in a glass tube (i.e. broken fuse) which helps eliminate that problem, though those types are not adjustable.


The leyden jars remain attached to the machine.
1 tube of perforated aluminum carries the normal charge from the leyden jar and will produce a given spark with a given number of turns from the machine. This is consistent for the most part,  number of turns on the handle equates to a specific charge value (+/- a little). Though there is a time-constraint on this, as the charge will 'leak-out' at high levels if you turn too slowly or stop turning the handle.

The phenomenon occurs when you bring another piece of perforated aluminum near the original charged piece.
( while its charging or even after it is charged)

this second piece of aluminum will take on an equal and opposite charge from the surrounding environment.

this is completely independend from the equal and opposite charge that is collected in the other leyden jar by the machine.

thus, setting this up on both terminals essentially 'doubles' thge charge potential collected by the machine with a given number of turns on the handle.

adding a 3rd piece of perforated aluminum induces an identicle charge to the first.

so with the same number of turns on the handle you now have 3 charges   - / + / -   all identicle i potential. ( 6 charges of you repeat on the 2nd terminal)

once 3 are charged, you can discharge the original charge in the machine by sparking it to the 2nd terminal-ball
then without turning the handle, a second, 3rd, 4tth, 5th....
spark can be obtained from the terminal connected to first piece of aliminum. This occurs until the charge has dissapated from the other 2 piece of aluminum and is no longer able to induce a charge. ( i assume this is from leakage around the holes and edges of the aluminum)

The second, third, and subsequent plates - even though they are larger, will not induce a charge greater than that of first plate. When the first plate max's out thats the max charge value for all subsequent plates. This differs from the atual designed reported to be used in Testatika, as their 'inner terminal' is a coil inthe center of the charged plates (tubes, cylinders, rings)

i am unable to experiment with more than 3 layers at this time, until i find a solution for the problem of physical attraction, the pieces pull towards each other and ruin the experiment.

i can isolate the charges to 4 or 6 leads and arc them all to a common ground.  i get individual sparks from each one.
so these 'extra' charges are real, i can zap people with them.
The timing on 6 sparks is a little tricky, but i had adjusted the spark gaps at one point and had a 4-phase A/C spark going to a common ground. 

im at a complete loss with the conversion process. automotive coil is getting me nowhere, when it manages to NOT spark over theres almost no current to speak of.

theres a small piece of technology im sure none of you have missed. I speak of a rediculous-looking inductor that is basically a stright wire, with another wire wrapped around it. i couldn't help but toy around with this.

made me go hmm...    try to keep it around the 1-3kv range (tiny sparks) and make sure the inner wire isnt sparking through.
not sure what to think....  it may play an important role when used from both sides of the machine, and crosing over each other they way it is seen in most of Paul's machines.

also, theres sort of 'capacitor' in the middle of the machines, cross-charged from each side and a center terminal comming out of it looks like its charging the spinning disk..

im not exactly sure how ions are created when there is low air-flow such as through a can, 
can charging metal plates actually release ions inside the can?
which can be fed directly to the surface of the disk and carried away?

[onthecuttingedge2005]

im not exactly sure how ions are created when there is low air-flow such as through a can, 
can charging metal plates actually release ions inside the can?
which can be fed directly to the surface of the disk and carried away?

Hi Smokey.

yes, it is called a Kelvin Generator by Principle although the Kelvin Generator on a general level works with water it still holds true for gases as well.

you can do a youtube search and study the Kelvin Generator's principle function.

MIT is a very good source of information also.

Jerry