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Aliens are coming October 14th 2008 Galactic Federation

Started by shooter001, August 27, 2008, 01:21:01 PM

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Dr. Tesla

Quote from: jeffc on October 03, 2008, 05:22:31 AM

I do not agree with you assessment of money.  Money is in fact a barter tool.  It has existed in some form since about 1,000 years BC.  It is the natural extension of barter, because as society became more sophisticated, establishing relative values becomes too complicated and you need to allow the ââ,¬Å"marketââ,¬Â to handle that process.

I would argue, that attention should be paid to banking.  The first banks were established by the Knights Templar.  History follows an interesting path from that point forward.  Credit has become a central component of our modern world.  It may be good, it may be bad (like most human inventions).  Lending represents an allocation of resources (investment).  If implemented fairly, it can work very well.  If implemented poorly, it can harm everyone involved.

jeffc

Jeff,

I would disagree with your assesment of money somewhat. The money was not invented to simplify definitions of relative values. It was invented as a tax collection device. It was also the first "legal" instrument of deception as the implementing rulers would "guarantee' the value of the money in order to enable exchange of coins for something that had a real value, like food or clothes.

This deception was ingenuously perfected in medieval times by European jews who were already in business of lending the money to the nobilities of european courts, by introducing very cheap paper money with a signature and a warranty on payout of the value as defined in the "contract". From these paper documents stem all our bonds, actions, shares and paper money as we know it today. It was just a worthless paper, but it gave enormous power to the money lenders over their borrowers.

When the royals realised their situations the persecution of jews took place to wipe out the lenders and the debt nobles had with the jewish bankers.

What you aret alking about was an "official" explanation for the use of money but it was not the real reason for using it. The "market" forces back then were not the same as today, and in reality were just as perceived as the value of the paper money. That is to say that we today tend to think about the economic tendencies of the distant history in our today's terms and conditions. The actual "market" powers were simply rulling royals and their transactions with money lenders of their time, who were setting the pace of the financial affairs. Ordinary people were not fazed by the money because they did not have much of it anyway, and had great difficulties in earning it.

The ordinary economies of the day were surviving essentially on goods' exchanges which lasted basically until the end of feudalism as the system. The money co-existed, but you were able to live comfortably without it and with only 3-4 months of work per year.

The money became the major player only in capitalism, when the goods exchange was all but outlawed by the new capitalist rulers, after the capitalist revolutions throughout Europe, thus sealing the fate of people and enslaving them by forcing to accept the paper in return for their work or goods. Locking them into the "contracts" just as they did with the feudalists centurists earlier.

Once you have a contract with the money lender, you in effect work for them. Think of your home mortgage. You are locked in for life. You become their pawn, really. No "market" forces there. Only financial ones, designed to control the crowds through "empowering" them to buy the goods and the services.

That is the real face of the money. While it may be a bit hard to digest, just think of all those european countries that went crazy ( Spain, France, Poland, Germany, Austria, Italy, Portugal, even Russia, etc) against the Jews and were killing them for centuries. It seems a bit to circumstantial to think that they all went crazy by eating wrong mushrooms that autumn, no?



z.monkey

Howdy Dr. Tesla,

Thanks for that warm sentiment, I appreciate it...

Blessed Be...
Goodwill to All, for All is One!

Dr. Tesla

Sorry, monkey, I didn't mean to come out warm. Apologies for that. I can't wait for the day to have a laugh and see you running for cover when your guests fail to turn up.

Will be fun to read "explanations". Try the "public transport" one. It always fail to work, but it's legit.

TheOne