The Road to Perpetual Motion

[am1ll3r]

Hi All,
this looks similar to an Idea i had when the Archer Quinn thr3ead just started up....

Anyway the light blue is a heavy wheel. The dark blue gear is like on a bike, you can crank it forward then spin it backwards. The hammer weight should be able to be lifted with minimum effort do to lever action. Its not really shown on the picture but the yellow end of the lever  will retract so on the down swing of the weight it does not hit any of the pegs attached to the outside of the wheel. When back to starting positing the lever will extend and another peg will lift the weight back up ans so on.... the animation got a little squirrelly on me while I was making it thats why the dark blue gear starts to float around..Its not meant to look like that.  I would imagine the heavy wheel would need a good spin to get it going then like riding a bike it takes less effort to (or so it seems) to maintain the same speed. I think the wheel in reality would need to be bigger as opposed to the lever mechanism but to show the concept it is what it is here.
Cheers 

originally posted here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4540.msg97020.html#msg97020

Sorry if this detracts from this thread in any way.

& I have never perused this idea other than making an animation. 

[hansvonlieven]

@ AB Hammer,

Go for your life Alan. This is not my thread it belongs to us all. Any comments or designs are welcome, the more the merrier.

@ Omega_0,

Yes we are preparing to build. I am still having a few problems to get the control mechanism sorted out. There are a number of options, what I am still looking for is a simple rugged and precise mechanism that does the job. Progress is being made though. The engineering drawings are being prepared right now for the wheel itself which is much modified from Pop Keenie's layout. This can then be built already and the control mechanism can be added later.

@ am1ll3r,

I can see what you are trying to do here but where is the power coming from to drive the mechanism?

@ Bill,

Yes I can see how Lawrence is going to try to get the credit for this. 

Hans von Lieven

[spinner]

Hello, Hans!
One of the best presentations I've seen so far! Hat off to You!

Although my view on the setup is - it has an everlasting,  "keeling" problem....
Sorry!
But this is just IMHO... Keenie's/Doc's/Your's device is rather simple to reproduce (at least as a PoC device), so, I hope to see some good news soon..
Cheers!

[hydrocontrol]

I hate you Hans,    You are causing my mind to work overtime  Or at least what is left of it.. 
Pretty soon I am going to think about this morning, noon and night. 

As I am trying to understanding how this might work I am grasping the net gain in the systems is the difference in the leverage points between the inner weight and the outer weight.
I think I have an idea of how to make this work without the lever arm and without a lot of additional mechanics. I really stink at drawing so let me verbally explain using your drawing.
Take a copy of your drawing and remove the level arm and spring system.
1. Now take the view of the inner rotor being allowed to continuously rotate clockwise and the outer one was rotating counterclockwise continuously. There would have to be some 1:1 gearing on the output shaft so lets say the inner rotor is fixed to the output shaft and the outer rotor rides on a bearing over the output shaft. This outer rotor has a gear attached to it that drives another 2 gears that interface to the inner rotor. The purpose of the gearing is so when the outer rotor goes down the inner rotor goes up an equal amount. Should be simple enough.
2. Now make your outer rotor twice as wide.
3. Now make the slots deeper into both the inner and outer rotors so that 2 weights will be able to be side by side. In fact make it extra wide. Put one weight on the outer rotor and one weight on the inner rotor with about on weight width between the two weights..
4. Now what would happen if you just bolt one equal weight on the outer rotor and bolt one on the inner rotor at the 9:00 o'clock positions across from each other ? .

The question that I need an answer for before I continue is if the outer weight will go down while the inner weight will go up because of the difference in lever arm length from the common shaft to the weight positions ? My mind thinks the outer weight will go down to the 8:00 position and the inner
one will go to the 10:00 position or until the weights line up with each other on the left side. Is there a software program to test this out ?

5. If this works then all you need to do is to leave the lever arm off. Instead insert an solid blocking bar from the 5:00 oclock position to the 10:00 oclock position so that when the weight shifts from the outer to inner rotor it is trapped in the inner rotor until the it reaches the 10:00 position. Have the slot more like to buzzsaw tooth so at the 10:00 position it releases slightly sooner than the 5:00 oclock position to give in a slight edge.

What do you think ?

[hansvonlieven]

G'day Spinner,

It's supposed to have an everlasting keeling problem, if it keeps on keeling it will rotate 

Hans von Lieven