Why not aluminum?

[professor]

Hi ,

I have been playing with waterglass and the Hutchison crystal battery this year.

In all cases the Alu dissolves when it touches sodium silicate. (It makes H₂ bubbles when it does this.) .  It may take 30 minutes, but the terminals all pull away.

So, try it on a piece of scrap Alu just to prove it to yourself first. Don't waste a good build or even a piece of aluminum.

I have been thinking about HHO generation all day. Most threads agree not to use brute force, but to pulse the dc. I've been thinking it might work to switch anode and cathode at the same time you pulse the cell. Then the corrosion which is really a matter of electroplating one terminal to the other, will stop, because you are switching endlessly.

I suppose it all depends on how quickly the electroplating eats away at the one terminal... Maybe once a week is frequent enough to stop eating through the terminal.

jeanna

Hi Jeanna

If I understand you right then we must have had the same thoughts on polarity reversal. You can do it cheaply with a Relay but you can only switch it as fast as the mechanical spring allows you.I had designed a Solid State Circuit on the Electronic Workbench a Design and Simulation Program for a different usage but it would allow to switch polarity ofl a DC voltage .
Beck uses that circuit for medical purposes only very low Power and switching and frequency
thanks for the advise on waterglas i did not know that it would react with alu........ interesting!
http://www.museum.wa.gov.au/collections/maritime/march/fallenangels/degrigny/fockewulf.html

During similar treatments performed on a Pratt & Whitney engine at the AWM, we found that sodium metasilicate Na2SiO3 was suitable because of its corrosion-inhibiting properties on aluminum alloys [10]; however, it was determined that, beyond a concentration of 0.08 M, significant corrosion occurred, with the formation of fibrous white aluminum silicate compounds. We therefore repeated these studies, establishing, in accordance with ANSI (American National Standards Institute) standard G-172, mass loss curves for aluminum-copper alloys (Figure 1) and aluminum-manganese or aluminum-magnesium-silicon alloys (materials commonly found in aeronautical wrecks) that are non-corroded and immersed in metasilicate solutions at various concentrations.
We found that the usable range of inhibitor concentrations (no evident corrosion) is broader for alloys without copper than for aluminum-copper alloys.
Originally I was wanting to use it on a couple of stainless rods to see at what voltage they would start conducting.
professor

[zzzz]

about conductivity of it,
I ever try to make more surfaces area as pic, i use Al -  ,SS rod +
all tube tuch each other and all, check with Ohm meter it show 0.0 Ohm.
but when i put one copper wire on one tube and hope current will go around,
result is not... bubble apply on only one tube that have wire on ..........

until now i still not do any thind with it, ...

but gas is alot more than SS- for sure...

[jeanna]

Hi Jeanna

If I understand you right then we must have had the same thoughts on polarity reversal. You can do it cheaply with a Relay but you can only switch it as fast as the mechanical spring allows you.......

Originally I was wanting to use it on a couple of stainless rods to see at what voltage they would start conducting.
professor

Hi professor,

I made a little proofofconcept for myself with a depleted 9 volt battery and 2 stainless washers held onto the batt with stainless wire. I added a tiny pinch of NaOH to the waterr and did the whole thing in an 8oz jelly jar.

The bubbles were prodigious while the battery remained above 6.5 volts.

But the part I think is important is that it takes a little while for the bubbles to form.

To me this means that a polarity shift would need to be fairly slow. Maybe the ideal switch would be an hour. (could be 24 hours) So, I would say that it wouldn't matter if you could not switch it very fast. And besides, you would fatigue the metal of the spring with too many switches. So, slow switching IMHO is better anyway.

It would still not corrode through the copper within an hour, and by reversing the polarity, what was lost from one terminal would be replated in the next hour .

On your other point, if the copper gets re-plated every switch, using specialized alloys could be just more expensive and troublesome, but not more productive.

However, if you have access to these alloys, please give them a try with a relay and report your results.

Here is my pep talk on reporting everything:
Good or bad, the results are what we need. I have learned a lot by my "failures" and you could save someone else a lot of trouble and expense if it doesn't work and you share those results. So there is never really a failure with something that doesn't work.

Enjoy,

jeanna

[pese]

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[4Tesla]

Has anyone tried aluminum electrodes?  It is my understanding that these do not corrode in water, and are a LOT cheaper...

Also saw a guy on youtube using 316 SS foil.  He was having great success using Dry Cell, 2.5 liter per minute at 12A 12V.

Just heard about a coating process called Carbon Raptor Coating.  It's for automotive applications, applies a 2-4 micron thick layer to any metal, can even be used inside a cylinder so I assume it's good for electrolysers.

I built a working PWM using the LM324 FINALLY.  100% fully adjustable duty cycle, variable frequency too.  ONE chip, ONE board, NO decade switching, 8 resistors and one capacitor, total for under $10.

Will post details soon on my site

Hi Farlander,

I would like to see your circuit.. sounds good!

Thanks,
Jason