The Young Effect, my gift to the free energy movement!

[nul-points]

hi Dean

> "CP... Its an interesting effect though the science is against you on this one"

Science is mankind's attempt at modelling Reality

Reality gets it right 100% of the time ...

...mankind doesn't have such a good track record! 

all the best
sandy

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THIS is what 'Science' says about a cap-to-cap discharge:-

eg. take two 200uF capacitors, C1 charged to 5V, C2 empty
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initial 'Coulomb charge' in C1: 1mCoulombs
               initial energy in C1: 2.5mJoules
 
         initial charge on C2: 0mC
          initial energy in C2: 0mJ

total initial charge in system: 1mC
total initial energy in system: 2.5mJ


now join C1 & C2 in parallel until steady-state reached
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combined capacitance now 400uF

voltage on (C1+C2): 2.5V
'charge' in (C1+C2): 1mC
energy in (C1+C2): 1.25mJoules


now separate C1 & C2 again
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voltage on C1: 2.5V
'charge' in C1: 0.5mC
energy in C1: 0.625mJoules

voltage on C2: 2.5V
'charge' in C2: 0.5mC
energy in C2: 0.625mJoules

total initial charge in system: 1mC
total initial energy in system: 1.25mJ

charge is conserved;
energy is also conserved (50% stored; 50% expended in heat, radiation, etc, as charging work)


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and THIS is what 'Science' predicts for a partial discharge of C1 from 8V to 7V through an inductor L and resistor Rload:

initial condition
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energy in C1 at 8V: 6.4mJ
charge in C1 at 8V: 1.6mC

discharge C1 by 1V
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energy in C1 at 7V: 4.9mJ
charge in C1 at 7V: 1.4mC

total energy input: 6.4 - 4.9 = 1.5mJ

50% energy expended in Rload: 0.75mJ
         50% energy stored in C2: 0.75mJ


final voltage on C2 to store 0.75mJ: 2.74V

final stored charge in C1: 1.4mC
final stored charge in C2: 0.55mC

total final charge: 1.95mC
  net charge gain: +0.36mC

           total final energy: 1.5mJ
overall system efficiency: 1.5 * 100 / 1.5 = 100%
(including 'losses' in Rload)


so - NOW - according to 'Science', energy is still conserved, but charge is not


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but this is what ACTUALLY happens in a real experiment using the previous setup:-

initial condition
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energy in C1 at 8V: 6.4mJ
charge in C1 at 8V: 1.6mC


discharge C1 by 1V
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energy in C1 at 7V: 4.9mJ
charge in C1 at 7V: 1.4mC

total energy input: 6.4 - 4.9 = 1.5mJ


final measured voltage on C2: 3.1V
(NOTE: voltage is higher than predicted)

final stored charge in C1: 1.4mC
final stored charge in C2: 0.62mC

total final charge: 2.02mC
net charge gain: +0.42mC


          energy stored in C2: 0.96mJ
energy dissipated in Rload: 0.96mJ

total energy converted: 1.92mJ
     efficiency at Rload: 1.92 * 100 / 1.5 = 128%

so experiments confirm charge gain - BUT greater than expected - AND a net energy gain!

Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site  http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc

[nul-points]

I hope you are correct about the gain, that would be awsome.
Then it is just a matter of designing the right switching circuit.

it's already been done Abba 

...and it works


the charge gain anomaly produces around 50% extra energy for 'Free'

half of the extra energy increases the stored energy in the capacitor by 25%

the other half increases the work expended in charging the capacitor by 25%

you need to ensure that you have a load which can use BOTH the output charging energy AND the discharge of the output stored energy - otherwise you end up with an efficiency of only approx 75%

use both sets of energy and you've got yourself Overunity - approching 150% efficiency!

all the best
sandy

...sheesh, this is like pulling teeth... 
Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site  http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc

[innovation_station]

it's already been done Abba 

...and it works

use both sets of energy and you've got yourself Overunity - approching 150% efficiency!

all the best
sandy

...sheesh, this is like pulling teeth... 
Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site  http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc

lol yea the WISDOM TEETH 

sandy you rock bro 



ist!

ARE YOU READY!!.......  READY.....   READY...... READY....... READY      WHAT resosance?!?!?!?!     

what

TESLAS WHEELS WITH IN WHEELS 

lol

hey think we can searl  effect? this?? 

what if there were wheels with in wheels  in opssite dirrections  slaming the hemf - and +  togather at once inside a crystalline core....

LIKE MULLER but just a wee bit more advanced 

yea i thought so......

[nievesoliveras]

@captainpecan

What do you think about mixing your circuit with the circuit of the selfrunning motor on this thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6064.0;topicseen

Jesus

[Fred Flintstone]

For those of us who are not experts in this field...if this works...then why can't someone close the loop and create a self-power device which will quickly end the debate? 

Freddy