Joule Thief

[The Observer]

Res,

There are 5,135 inventions currently made secret by the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951.
The list of what can be made secret is...of course, secret.
But 1973 list is available.

About the Ferromagnetics.

                                                              If one person could say...
"Wow, a piece of Ferrite can AMPLIFY the Magnetic Field of a Coil by 1,000,000 times without using Extra Energy !!"
                                                I would feel like a burden is lifted off my shoulders.

Why people can't see the freely rotating magnetic dipoles powered by free electron spin is beyond me.

                            All am I doing is pointing at something that I feel is important.
                            It has nothing to do with a single person being right or wrong..
                                    it is about an AMAZING SCIENTIFIC FACT.

         And because an impressive Joule Thief won't work
       without a Ferromagnetic Substance     (or Resonance)
it is very appropriate to mention here.. in the Joule Thief Thread.

Best Regards,
                    The Observer

P.S.  How many High Voltage Ignition Coils do you think you could Resonate from a Single Joule Thief?

[NickZ]

    @The Observer:
    I do understand what you're saying. 
There are already guys fine tuning their devices by using resonance on high permeability ferrite toroid cores.  The idea is not new, but the problem is that we can't even locate and buy the best cores.  For example a 3 to 6 inch ferrite toroid core (high-perm), to take the Jt to the next level...
  I'm still using the 1/2 to 1 inch chokes cores from Pc power supplies.  I see that they are not the highest-perm best core material to use, but they are free. Are they still worth using?  Depends.
I may not win a prize using by them, but low voltage Jtc and leds are lighting more and more parts of my house everyday.
                                           NickZ
   


         
   

[hidave]

@resonanceman
I do not like your deletion of my comments, as I had labored with actual experiments testing and pushing the limits of electronic components to really understand their true nature and behaviors.

I suggest that you starting doing the same if you wish to understand what it is that you are continuing to bluff about. After all, your esteemed knowledge is based on pure speculations, the same laws and theories that has abolished any further advancement in the field of electricity.

I enjoy reading the Journal of Science from the past century, it is quite entertaining to see how much those free thinking scientist of yesterday knew, yet you are parroting the same mambo jumbo terms but in a paused time frame.

Your idea of a JT based on a perpetual current holder is an absolute joke, hahaha. Do you even understand magnetism?. Ask yourself why it takes so much iron and pounds of copper r wire to maintain a mere hundredths of an amp current.

JT is not over unity, as over unity is a moronic term concocted by the foolish mainstream scientists to define excess output that defies the Law of energy conversion. JT  circuits are mere efficient devises in production of useful P from current.

A true excess output JT requires a totally open circuit, one that is non linear and conforms to the proper geometries and true nature of electricity. With such devise, excessive useful P is produced from each unit of E input, thus resulting in COP=1+

And yes, I am working on it.

[SkyWatcher123]

Hi folks, Yes i also think observer should start a thread to share thoughts about the ferromagnetic and resonance or post here, whatever you think is best observer. It is interesting though, I made a very long core/coil awhile back and the core was regular steel 1/2" dia. probably 2 feet long and one layer 18 gauge wire. What is interesting to note is that it had very little flyback and was a very weak electromagnet. Now if I took the same materials used and changed the geometry, I could get way more flyback and a much stronger electromagnet. So it seems it's not just the fact that ferromagnetic material may give an energy boost, it's also the geometry that makes a big difference. As far as resonance in a coil, we make our pulses so that each pulse does not impede the previous pulse in whatever form that takes. Though I can visualize mechanical things better than how to consistently do this in coils. Like the tuning fork example observer points out and other examples he has pointed out, like an acoustic guitar. So I can clearly see how one can resonate a material object, though a medium is needed to create a resonance as far as i can see. A tuning fork uses its mass and air and same with an acoustic guitar and coils use a magnetic field medium so it seems. So coils would seem to be the best bet for converting a resonance to excess electricity, though one could resonate a speaker cone with another speaker cone I would imagine and possibly convert that to excess electricity, though would the act of harvesting the resonance diminish the resonance. I would love to exchange some practical ideas with anyone here, since coils seem so tricky to get into resonance, why not try something else, like the speaker idea. Forgive the long post, I've been meaning to say a few words about this lately. Take a subwoofer as an example. If a subwoofer is not mounted in an enclosure it has very little output, what about some kind of mulitple speaker enclosure that has 1 or 2 active speakers and a few more that are like what was used in some speakers, not sure if they still use them, called passive radiators. Though we tune the enclosure so that the passive radiators are in some kind of resonance with the active sub transducers and the passive radiators will create the electrical output. Just a few thoughts, let me know what you folks think.
peace love light
Tyson

[The Observer]

Sky W,

Thanks for your input. ;o)

I am going to start a thread in the near future that will deal with the experiment I have been harping about.
That is Resonating Multiple Ignition Coils from a Single Joule Thief.

What I want.. is a few people to get on board with my line of thinking before the experiments begin.
                      I think you you may be the one of the first.
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Why do I think I know what I am talking about ?
Because when you know how Something works, it is much easier to use that Something in a useful way.

         When I first joined OU, I studied the Sciences of Magnetism and Resonance.
         With that knowledge I theorized that RESONATING a TRANSFORMER would produce some interesting results.
         After buying an electronics set.. I found out I was right.... Resonating a transformer is interesting !
         Thus with a 1.5 V I lit many 3v Leds with an audio transformer by resonating it (LEDs on STEP DOWN side !!!!)
         This is not a Joule Thief.. it only works at 1 frequency.

Jeanna and Pirate are both heroic in my eyes,
But when I learned that Jeanna doesn't understand how Ferromagnetics work
                                            and Pirate was sure that Ferrite was NOT Ferromagnetic...
                                                                                                                                     I was in shock.

All I want
is people to know
that a the Magnetic Permeability
of a Ferromagnetic Substance means that is ...
the amount of times it will AMPLIFY the MAGNETIC FIELD of a COIL.

                                                B = (μ0 * μr * N * i) / l
                 Î¼r is the Magnetic Permeability of the material within the solenoid.

This AMPLIFICATION happens by means of previously randomly oriented Magnetic Dipoles
powered the the Infinite Spin of the Unpaired Electrons
lining up with the realativly weak Magnetic Field
of the Coil.
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I have thought of the speaker idea before as well.
Unfortunately, I realized that a speaker has a LOW Q value meaning it is made to NOT RING by itself.
                      My understanding is that the more an object will store energy, the more energy can be 'led out'.
                      A speaker is damped so it can vibrate at the same intensity with many different frequencies.

The box however uses Helmholtz Resonance to achieve amplification from the speaker's sound.
It would be possible to ring the box, which would then move the speaker.
Probably would want to make a special speaker that has a specific Resonant Frequency.
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Lastly, as politely
as I can... I ask all
posters to use the
return key. 1 long
Run on Paragraph
is hard to read... at
least for me. ;o)~

Best Regards,
                     The Observer