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[stprue]

That sound like an idea that will work, now it's time to build

[jeanna]

@Jadaro,
I just tried it yet again today,
I saw fleeting differences when I dropped the alligator clip to the ground from literally anywhere on the ckt. I say fleeting because I don't know how to call it. I started at 109v on the scope. This is with all the pick up wires in series. It is the maximum potential of my particular toroid. It says 109v consistently. When I dropped the clip to the floor in my house the V reading went to 111v, but then it stayed there when I removed the clip. My impatience outpaced the system, perhaps. There were more changes, but they did not seem to reflect dropping the clip to the ground.

Thank you for your thoughts.

@Bill,
Thank you for that description.
In it lies my wondering why the second ground on the circuit is necessary. I will be back to this subject.

Thank you.

Jim
I put them in series not parallel.

thank you.

@jeanna

First thing first, if you cant get reading from coils in series then there not connected right , you need to connect them good first , i also want to make sure that your 2 coils in series are made from one coil on each side.

The reason i ask for dc voltage reading is to know if your coil are connected properly , there are not 6 ends but 4 the middle is connected to other coils. remember when connecting 3 coil together there are 4 way to connect not 2.

Only then will we talk about the bridge.

Mark

I guess you must have missed it when I said that I checked for the highest voltage. I have checked and re-checked the voltage to get the highest values. You might recall I collected it in a cap to prove that I have it in the correct way.

I understand that there are 4 wires. But your description implies 6 to me.

I am going to try to make a drawing from your drawing of the MK2. I will try to re-label the wires to show you which ones I have put together for the highest voltage effect.

Yes, one coil IS from each side. I confirmed this today.

Thank you for your patience,

jeanna

[TheNOP]

This means the power company power is going into the earth and not back to the power company, doesn't it? 
I am trying to find the logic in the circuit.

At the very least, I have this question, Does ac need to be grounded?
Does it need this so we can be charged? or is there something inherent in ac that requires a ground?

the "ground" in a house is essencialy there for protection against short circuit.

it is true that there are no return wires to a central, the return is done through earth.
but the neutral wire in your house is the center tap of a transformer.

the reason why we now have polarised prongs is because of electronic equipments.

one example are televisions vs osciloscopes.
you should always make sure both appartus are plug the right way, or, that you use an isolation transformer(1:1 ratio) with your osciloscope.

the reason is that when pluged non polarised, you can get a potential difference, 70 volts+, between the tip of your probe and any part of the tv's circuit.
the same is true for a dvd, vcr, etc..., you would connect to your tv, one bad isolating capasitor and you can get a 70 volts+ potential difference between them.


at a central the currents is a 3 phased currents.
unless you are a compagny requiring 3 phases, the currents entering your house is single phased.
no matter if it is 240 or 120 volts is it always single phase.
the neutral in a 120 volts system is the center tap of a transformer.

[TheNOP]

@all

I downloaded a copy of TinyCAD, and have been having a fiddle with it, does anyone know how to change a DSN file to a JPG or Giff file so I can post my efforts here?

simply use the export function from the "File" menu.

[Mk1]

@jeanna

You did get higher value from the coil connected in series good, there are only 4 coil 8 ends now connected in series 4 ends (you can think of those coil in series as being one coil ) Then connect them like the schematics .

Mark

Edit i know you got a scope now but don't forget the volt meter test coil and coil in series also.

It would help me understand what you are doing, that was the reason for my question on coil.

Like voltage from one coil , then 2 coil in series , then connected like the schematics, i know the bridge part doesn't make sense but do any way and check voltage at the load mark.