Why does mass slow time?

[Alien509]

thanks for your answer.At least you gave me one(an answer).Moving one's body through space does take energy but if the earth's rotation could supply it then we might be headed for a breakthrough of sorts.Triffid

Think broader like G.

Let's say someone is in this sphere that is spinning. Now this person has to do an exceeding amount of work to get anywhere without being thrown around. Now what if the sphere was spinning and the person was permanently attached to that sphere- suddenly it becomes much easier to move. Now if you leave earth's gravity then in essence your feet aren't bound too well to anything (in this huge rotating sphere). So now what you have to do is figure out how to grab hold of what little is there, because if not- your heading somewhere rather quickly are you not? 

[erickdt]

Sorry Eric,

You say that I am trying to elicit proof of a negative, this is not so. It could well be within the realm of possibility that someone one day creates energy or matter. Even science accepts this. But until then we have a theory that appears to work, at least as far as we can tell.

Hans von Lieven

We shouldn't get too bogged down by this disagreement but one last thought: science does not accept that. Within the context of our Universe science most certainly doesn't accept that COE and COM could ever be violated. Only insofar as the fact that we can never and will never know the conditions and restrictions that exist outside of our Universe (in the multi-verse) would this even be a possibility. Since it's impossible to observe these conditions (outside of our Universe or dimension if you like) debating whether or not COM and COE apply is a moot point...

[gravityblock]

We shouldn't get too bogged down by this disagreement but one last thought: science does not accept that. Within the context of our Universe science most certainly doesn't accept that COE and COM could ever be violated. Only insofar as the fact that we can never and will never know the conditions and restrictions that exist outside of our Universe (in the multi-verse) would this even be a possibility. Since it's impossible to observe these conditions (outside of our Universe or dimension if you like) debating whether or not COM and COE apply is a moot point...

There are alot of things that science did not accept as being possible, but later was proven to be possible. At one point, science couldn't understand how it was possible for the bumble bee to fly. Also at one point they believed that energy was delivered in a continuous flow. Then later it was suggested to be delivered in quanta or packets of energy according to experiments and observations, but some did not accept this to be true. They believed that matter could only absorb the energy in packets or quanta.  The current understanding is energy is delivered in quanta and not absorbed in quanta, and this belief will stand until an experiment or observation suggests otherwise.  I believe this is the reason why you need a changing magnetic field of flux in order to cause electrons to move along a conductor. The virtual photons of a permanent magnet are traveling faster (faster than speed of light or possibly a continuous flow of virtual photons and not in quanta) than the current through a conductor and cutting its flow off.  When you move a permanent magnet through a conductor, you are not cutting the flow of current in the conductor, thus you have electricity.

We have created new materials that nature does not (or very rare) create on its own. Once we master nano technology and its applications become widely used, this will open up so many new possibilities. I have noticed from my own experiences in life that roadblocks are always being thrown into your path, and workarounds are found. We need to find a way to workaround nature and this wouldn't be violating its laws.  I believe a permanent magnet can be manufactured at the nano scale to cause its magnetic field of flux to constantly change or to be delivered slower (or in quanta and not continuous) than the current that is flowing along a conductor and this would be a workaround of nature and provide us with unlimited energy.   It may even be possible to achieve this without nano scale, and maybe has already been down by the rulers of this system of things. I heard that what we currently have (the general public) in technology, the government or military had 20 to 30 years ago. So, we won't know the current capabilities of our governments until 20 years from now. That is a scary thought. We have been successful at slowing down the speed of light by changing the medium that it travels through and by other methods, and this suggests that it would be also possible to slow down those virtual photons that flow in a magnetic field of flux simply by allowing those virtual photons to flow through a medium that slows it down, which implies we currently have the technology to do this. Anyone up for this experiment? I am currently unemployed and do not have the financial means to do this experiment, although I do not think it would cost very much. The cost would be a small electric motor, generator or used car alternator and the medium that slows light. Simply place the material in the magnetic field of flux and watch in amazement. Then give me some money so I can pay my child support and give me my nobel prize. Another option for the medium would be a really thick 2 way mirror, but I don't know if the 2 way mirror would slow the speed of light or not. If this idea is correct and the virtual photons get slowed down enough so it is delivered in a quanta, then it would be similar to pulsing an electromagnet. This is free, easy to reproduce, cheap to build, open sourced, clean, and unlimited energy. It doesn't get any better than this..

A brief side note about these virtual photons and other virtual particles. It could be that these virtual particles are either traveling faster than the speed of light or is being delivered in a continuous flow and not in quanta (possibly both could be correct). There are a few reasons that I base this idea on. The first observation is light cannot escape a black hole but virtual photons (virtual particles) can.  Since black holes have a magnetic field, and it can get out, this seems to imply that virtual photons (flux) can travel faster than the speed of light!  The second observation is the permanent magnet needs to constantly change its position so it won't cut the flow of electrons along a conductor, and this suggests that the virtual photons are either traveling faster than light or being delivered continuously.

Once we understand what we currently know, then we will have unlimited energy available to us without violating the laws of nature. When I look at the universe, I see it as a perpetual motion machine. It is always converting and exchanging energy. Nature does not violate its own laws, but here we are, waiting to be recycled so nature can continue to exist.

[gravityblock]

Please read the previous post that was made by me (reply #72). It is very important and could lead to free unlimited energy.

We may need to redefine physics:

We may be able to add virtual photons to the list of the electromagnetic spectrum (virtual photons, gamma rays, x-rays, ultraviolet rays, visible light, infrared, and radio waves). This may also destroy the wave-particle duality theory of physics. Faster than light speed travel is also suggested (possibly 100's of magnitude faster).  I am not sure if the virtual photon is a real photon which travels faster than the speed of light or if the virtual photon is actually a wave and not an elementary particle (photon). I am not sure when a photon strikes a metal surface that causes an electron to be ejected is caused by the actual photon itself or is caused by the wave, or possibly both are responsible for the ejection of an electron. It is currently believed that a photon has a wavefront and this wave may be just a wave or is made of photons that are moving faster than light. We will soon know the truth. My best guess would be that it is an actual photon and not a wave. Either way, photon or wave, the previous post should lead to free unlimited energy if we succeed in slowing it down.

The properties of a virtual photon and virtual particles are this:
Wavelength = 0
Frequency = Infinite or continuous
Time = 0 (this is my best guess)

It will be so easy that a child could build a spacecraft (ufo) that travels 100's or maybe even 1000's of times faster than the speed of light, but I will not disclose how at this moment, although most will figure this out on their own with a little thought and known configurations such as the circular shape and landing gears of ufo's.

[Steven Dufresne]

@gravityblock,
Yaaaayyy! Someone who's at the same stage in this process as me. After years of frustration at trying the shot in the dark approach, building things and hoping they tap into something, I started to look for some help from physics. For ZPE that means doing exactly what you're talking about. What are virtual photons? How can their energy be tapped? To the conventional ivory tower physicist they're homogeneous and isotropic (moving in every direction, the same magnitude in every direction.) To mathematical physicists they're just probability waves. Here's an excellent link for this school of thought:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Quantum/virtual_particles.html
However, the Casimir effect proves there's something real and potentially tapable there.

But does the standard model describe it in an engineerable way? Maybe. But this popping in and out of existence thing made me look for a model that described it in a more concrete way. Or as you said in your last post "We may need to redefine physics". Though I wouldn't through out the old. It's done a lot for us thus far. So after looking around, I stumbled on the Wave Structure of Matter (WSM) model:
  http://wsminfo.org/articles/GREIT6Oct06.doc
  http://wsminfo.org
  http://www.quantummatter.com/
In this model, instead of virtual photons, we have waves that travel through space from particle to particle. In between the particles, this would definately appear as a boiling sea of random waves. It's a fairly young and incomplete model; there's a lot of work to be done on it, and I'll admit that someday it may hit some really big roadblock that'll kill it. So far so good though.

I'm still learning the WSM and haven't found any way of engineering with it yet. But at least thinking in terms of waves makes a difference. However, a rough idea I have, not based on any math yet, is that maybe some of these alleged devices, including ones putting out excess energy with plasma, is that they are creating charged particles, possibly short lived, on the fly by the way the devices manipulate electric fields (which in WSM-speak means they are manipulating these fundamental waves.) The idea is that some of the energy for the creation of these charged particles would come from the waves. The end result is voltage and charged particles (current) for less energy than was put in. Specifically I see this possibility with the Hyde generator, which I'm currently building, and the testatika, which I've been working on since 2005 and which may be doing exactly what the Hyde generator may be doing:
  http://rimstar.org/sdenergy/testa/testatika_and_hyde_generator.htm

More specifically, in WSM, particles don't have tiny discrete particles at their center. Instead they are resonances in space that have position, motion, charge, ... All particles resonate with all other particles, the nearer ones having more effect of course. Spherically shaped waves, called in-waves, collapse on the particle center (well, sort of... see Huygen's principle for something more accurate), wherein they are spherically rotated 720 degrees and sent back out as new spherical waves, called out-waves. These out-waves are the in-waves of other particles and so on... This back and forth, and something else that goes on at the non-linear particle center called the Minimum Amplitude Principle (MAP), is what causes the resonance and thus the sustained existance (to my understanding so far.) The 720 degree spherical rotation is necessary in the model since particles are observed to have angular momentum, called spin.

So to create a particle we'd need to dynamically manipulate the electric fields, really the waves we are talking about, in such a way that we cause spin, which I hope (lot's of hand waving here) results in new charged particles, giving rise to somewhat free voltage and current. Also note, at no time was energy created, COE&M were respected.
-Steve
http://rimstar.org   http://wsminfo.org