"Free energy" and "Overunity" We need a definition.

[captainpecan]

OU?
There is actually NOT EVEN ONE DEVICE, which could be declared as "OverUnity"... (there are many claims, but ...If ones know any of such device, please, point me to it...)

Oh.... Oh...  I think I know this one....   ummmm...  I forgot... 

Which would made Perpetual motion a piece of cake.
Which is (to date) never achieved, and is considered "impossible"!... But ... Is it, really? 

The only Perpetual Motion I'm aware of is that of an electron.  Or atomic perpetual motion. But then you can get into quantum physics and stuff gets really weird in a hurry...

[spinner]

Oh.... Oh...  I think I know this one....   ummmm...  I forgot... 
The only Perpetual Motion I'm aware of is that of an electron.  Or atomic perpetual motion. But then you can get into quantum physics and stuff gets really weird in a hurry...

Quantum physics? Atomical perpetual motion?
You're wright... No matter what is known or what current physics is trying to teach you, there's actually a lot of unknowns, mysteries... No doubt about that...

You can have your own theory about the many things, like atom construction, workings , energy origins - and nobody can really tell you you're 100% wrong... They can't prove it for sure !!!

That's the point...And that's the reason I am here, too...

Cheers!

[lltfdaniel1]

Lets keep this simple.

Overunity as i believe it, is recycled energy.

Nature is overunity where clouds give rain and then goes back up and then goes back down and then goes back up.

What i can't understand and what is not is clear enough is how this gives more energy out, this is the major factor, but i really do believe it exists.

anyways go to this link below and read all of it.

http://100777.com/spiritual/beings_having_a_physical_experience

[khabe]

The bird,
Bird flies 7,000 milesâ€"non-stop http://msnbc-1005096.polls.newsvine.com/_video/2008/10/22/2029525-bird-flies-7000-milesnon-stop
Weight ... what she eats and how much spent for eating ... and she flies ...
Is it Overunity For me - yes - when to compare with the best of man-made "high-efficient machines" 
Im  sure if we measure and calculate full efficient of Bird  adequate we do with the best man-made higj efficient machines -  then Bird is real Overunity.
How far can fly man-made the same weight micro spy airplane?  perhaps 70 miles (in reality 7) .But it has at least 98% efficient motor and the best known and secret batteries
Does the rest of 2% give 100....1000 times better result Of course not.
Something goes wrongly with formulas ...
Mother Nature just makes it better
Almighty God makes all the best.
with due respect,
khabe

[Pirate88179]

@ Captainpecan:

Thanks for posting.  Yes, I agree with your unity assessment.  Mother nature likes balance, equilibrium and unity.  I also agree with those that say energy from nothing is impossible.  But, having a device that uses energy from somewhere heretofore unused would still obey all of the laws of physics and probably qualify as "free energy" according to my personal definition.  Maybe "free energy" is a bad term in and of itself.  As we all know, nothing is free.  Someone once suggested the term "free to me energy" which is ok except in some cases, like plugging into the neighbor's power line or accessing the electric company's line before the meter, would be considered stealing.  Sure, anything one steals is free to them.

There have been some guys working with antennas on here and a video on youtube shows a guy charging his cell phone using his antenna and a few components.  Some think he is tapping into the aether or the energy in the air while others say no, he is just using the power transmitted by local radio and tv stations.  Here is a good case for what I am talking about.  No matter where the energy is coming from, we all know it is coming from somewhere.  Even if it is from a radio station, the radio station's electric bill did not go up because this guy intercepted some signals.  The transmitter does not know if the signals broadcast are going into a radio, or this guy's device.

So, free energy?  Yes, I think so.  Free to him energy?  Yes, and I don't think he is stealing anything.  Overunity?  Well, he is getting 100% more power out than he put in, so to him, yes.  Is it really overunity?  Probably not because you can calculate the strength of the signals broadcast and his distance from the transmitter, and all of the loses in his circuitry and I would bet the numbers come out to be exactly what he is getting.

Thanks for posting here.  Maybe we can all learn a little something, I know I have already.  Good luck with your experiments.


@ Spinner:

OK, besides the device mentioned above, consider the earth battery.  It is a closed system and one gets out way more than one puts into the system because you don't put anything in to it.  So, this should make it overunity....correct?  But, maybe not.  After all the power is coming from somewhere and it follows all of the rules of electrical devices once made, and possibly if we knew enough about where or how it is coming from, I would bet we would see unity as Captainpecan described earlier.  I do feel it qualifies for the term free energy as it is free and also, not stealing.

Here is something interesting Locajoe brought up on his original earth battery topic.  Find a tree, tap in a nail about 1/4" deep.  Take a voltmeter and put your neg. probe on the tree and the positive probe into the earth.  I did this and got 1.4 vdc.  Evidently that energy is there and has always been there, we just do not use it.  Can you imagine the power available in a large forest?  Thanks for your post.

@Khabe:

I also agree with you.  A human can eat 1 apple (for fuel) and move tons of stone with a shovel.  Talk about the efficient use of renewable fuels....the human body does this every day.  Why can't we figure out how to take a peanut butter sandwich and get all of the energy (both electrical and mechanical) out of it that our bodies can?  Our bodies may not operate at overunity but I'll bet it is close.  (maybe 99.9991275%?) Thanks.


@ All:

I really appreciate the way in which all of you are discussing this potentially highly charged subject in a decent, intelligent and respectful manner.  This is how we will succeed.

Bill

Bill