water "polarization", INSTEAD of water electrolysis?

[nitinnun]

breaking water into pure hydrogen and pure oxygen, is dangerous.


instead, what about polarizing the water?
with 2 magnets. like this:


   - magnet +  + WATER -  - magnet +


one half of the water is overall positively charged,
and the other half of the water is overall negatively charged.


when a drop of positively charged water,
touches a drop of negatively charged water,
electricity is formed.


i also read that when someone combined positively charged air,
with negatively charged air,
heat is created.

[CrazyEwok]

Some small problems in your idea...
water molecules are small and essentially you are trying to "uniform" how they are orientated. I would think your proberly thinking of flowing the water through the magnets. IF your water polarizes as soon as it leaves the magnetic field it will just scramble again... if you can figure out a way to get a current out of that it would be awesome... Good Luck

[nitinnun]

the collector electrodes could be placed,
immediately beside the magnets.

for maximum charge-transfer,
from water to electrode.


it is easier,
simpler,
smaller,
and cheaper,
to spin water in a bucket.

than to attach a motor,
to a balanced wheel,
which turns magnets.

you could even add a material to the water, to increase its electrical resistance.
for obvious reasons.

(although my research has show me,
that "polarized water",
ALREADY has a rediculously high electrical resistance.)


the spinning water, is the path of least resistance !



i just came up with the idea.
so i have had all of 9 minutes, to refine it.

the idea also has stiff competition, for my attention.

[Shanti]

I also had the same idea a long time ago...

Principally this is doable, but the keypoint here is really, that the water will always try to neutralize itself as fast as possible. This means, you have to seperate the different charged particles from each other while they are still in the field, and also separate them from the neutral water partciles in front of the field.
What you then have is nothing else than kind of a Kelvin generator, but which runs with the help of a Magnet instead of electrostatic induction to separate the charges...
BTW: You will always need some energy to let the water flow through your unit, usually this come from the potential gravitational energy.

What I think is interesting is the following fact.
The Kelvin Generator (or your magnet method, doesn't matter) mustn't bring up the energy to seperate the water into H30+ and OH- ions, the autoprotolysis of the water will do it. You only have to separate the charges. This means in one cup there will flow water with much more H3O+ ions and in the other cup much more OH- ions. This means, one cup is now positively charged and the other negatively. You can then discharge them and they will give electric energy. BTW: the electric energy generated is <= the gravitational potential energy needed to separate!!!

But what is now really interesting is, that one cup now has way too much H Atoms inside and the other one, way too much O atoms... Although they are both now electrically neutral (after the discharge)
This would actually mean, that e.g, if you take again the cup with the too much H atoms in it, and pour it again in the Generator, then in the resulting new positive cup will be even more H atoms. Like that it should be possible to get such high H concentrations, that the H will start to gas out of the water and you will have H2 leaving the water -> Hydrogen.
And the energy to generate the Hydrogen did come from the Autoprotolysis (heat, through molecular movement) and not from the gravitational energy.
This should actually violate the 2nd LOT.

I always wanted to test this theory, but actually couldn't find the time yet...
Maybe you have some time?
BTW: If you just take the H enriched water, before it starts degassing, it probably will start to burn as soon as you try to incinerate it, as due to the higher temperature of the flame, the gas will get out of the water and then also burn, which heats the water even more, so more gas is leaving which again burns...
This is IMHO exactly what e.g. Joe showed in one of his vids, when he burnt water.
This is the same principle as you know from your soda, where the water is CO2 enriched, and will also gas out the more you heat it...But CO2 doesn't burn...

I actually think it should even be possible to use such H enriched water as a fuel replacement, but then you need more water than you would usually need fuel! But on the other hand you don't have to pay for generating the hydrogen, as the energy is coming from the heat of the environment.
Two questions remain: Does this really work? Can this H enriching process be made so effective to be able to produce enough H, even with a relatively small apperatus, to be able to drive a car...

Add:

I just calculated what would be the energy in H enriched water.
You can have a maximum of 1.6mg/l H in water before it degasses. Energy of H2 is 33.3kWh/kg. This actually means, that there is only 1.5e-5W/l in such H enriched water, which is actually almost nothing. So I don't think it can be used directly as fuel replacement.
Sure you can still burn it, it will just not burn very long...I think this is also the reason why Joe on his burning water vid extinguished the fire after a short time, as he knew, that it wouldn't have burnt much longer anyway...The remaining water on the table is then just pure water...which will not burn anymore...
(This is just a guess...)

[hansvonlieven]

This is an interesting idea Shanti,

what you get here is the hydrogen rich as well as oxygen rich water and an electric discharge to boot. I wonder what the sum total of the combined energies thus liberated would add up to. If it drives more than the pump required to elevate the water you would have overunity.

A fascinating thought, worth looking into I think.

Hans von Lieven