Fusionchip's Bedini Feedback to Source!!!

[gadgetmall]

Further tests have shown me that there is in fact no charging effect with my setup. The oscillations are being sustained at a very low current, in my case around 14mA. My waveform has a very short duty cycle and the power consumed by the oscillator is barely enough to illuminate a r

[gadgetmall]

Further tests have shown me that there is in fact no charging effect with my setup. The oscillations are being sustained at a very low current, in my case around 14mA. My waveform has a very short duty cycle and the power consumed by the oscillator is barely enough to illuminate a red LED very dimly. The effect of this is that the battery is under an extremely light load. The initial rise in terminal voltage after the cap dump can be quite prolonged but the terminal voltage will stabilise at some point very close to the original unloaded battery voltage. After this the discharge is extremeIy slow and in this very light loading condition the 'Peukert effect' effectively increases the ampere hour rating of the battery, making it very difficult to see a reduction in battery terminal voltage even over long periods of time. It can be better seen using a very low capacity battery that is slightly sulfated (has high internal resistance). I used a small 2.8A/hr SLA which was in bad condition.

I would agree with John Bedini in this case that self charging the primary battery is not possible with this setup. It is an illusionary effect caused by recovery after cap discharge.

Hoppy

thank you hoppy and others  for replication and testing results  . the only thing i see wrong with that setup is you are using a sulfated battery . John Bedini himself said Overunity is in the Battery . If you use a bad battery then all the work it produced is going to desulfinating and not charging . I used a new battery standing voltage 12.84 after half hour 12.58 after an hour 12.60 . If i could make a suggestion and run your test once more with a Clean battery as mine shows a Charge after three days ..thanks again even if you prove that it is only an illusion it a dam good one eyh ? I have attached  a schematic of the best i can see . Its just a standard bedini circuit with the addition of the primary rectifier . is it possible that the transistor is breaking down on the bemf pulse and charging that way ?

[gadgetmall]

Hi all

I have replicated gadgetmalls self runner circuit and I can give it a provisional thumbs up. I did not use a fan and instead wound a bifilar on an empty copper wire spool with 0.2mm dia ECW. The strand resistance is 70 ohms and the iron core is made from welding rods. The circuit is as per gadgetmails except I needed to add a diode in the connection between the cap pos and battery pos. A tap from a magnet is needed to start the oscillator and then left attached to one end of the iron core. after I dump the cap to battery, the oscillator continues at a low frequency only if the cap is of a high enough capacity. I found that 470uF works as does 220uF but low value caps will not work.

My battery does initially climb in voltage after the cap is dumped but stabilises out eventually. This is partly just the battery being taken off load from charging the cap but if a reasonably heavy load is applied for a short period, the battery does appear to re-charge quite quickly and returns to a voltage very close to the stabilised voltage. If the battery is left just powering the oscillator, it does not appear to discharge despite the 17mA being drawn by the oscillator. The circuit has been running for 18hrs so far without a drop in battery voltage. Another 24 hours will give me a better idea of whether anything special is going on after at least half an ampere hour has been removed from the battery.

I have attached the circuit shematic.

Hoppy

Hoppy . Being you see some of the effects and you wound your own coil and you know the Ma'draw of your circuit could you not wind another secondary over that and come up with the extra milli amps . I think so .This circuit should not work at all but as you all see it does Feedback .thank you .
Albert

[gadgetmall]

@plengo
   thank you for attempting to replicate . i have not tried it on a very high amp battery yet . Here is the schematic you requested with the additions . i forgot to put the value of the osc cap . its 1mfd 200v NON-pol cap ..  the other thing is the little glass diode on the  base /collector . i don't know the value . it might even be a zener . i just grab what i got check the transistor for pins where npn or pnp  and go with it . i do know that my fan unit will blow a 100 volt cap on the secondary so be careful . it put out over 250 volts without a neon . i didn't want to blow the windings so i use a neon

[Hoppy]

thank you hoppy and others  for replication and testing results  . the only thing i see wrong with that setup is you are using a sulfated battery . John Bedini himself said Overunity is in the Battery . If you use a bad battery then all the work it produced is going to desulfinating and not charging . I used a new battery standing voltage 12.84 after half hour 12.58 after an hour 12.60 . If i could make a suggestion and run your test once more with a Clean battery as mine shows a Charge after three days ..thanks again even if you prove that it is only an illusion it a dam good one eyh ? I have attached  a schematic of the best i can see . Its just a standard bedini circuit with the addition of the primary rectifier . is it possible that the transistor is breaking down on the bemf pulse and charging that way ?

Thanks for posting your schematic.

I would point out that my first attempt was with a very well conditioned battery. I used the much smaller sulfated battery to show that the battery was in fact discharging. IMO you could wait a very long time to see a voltage reduction using even a small new and good conditioned battery. Ideally, the test needs to be conducted over a week or more, not just a day or two. I saw no movement downwards at all over 48 Hours using my well conditioned 20A/hr battery. As I mentioned earlier, Its important to realise that the Peukert effect works in reverse when very small loads and the very small load being presented by this circuit gives us a battery with a very high effective capacity.

Hoppy.