Expansion rate of hho ?

[Chris31]

As TK and others have said the implosion happens, I've experienced the collapsed bubbler syndrome myself.

When HHO explodes it creates energy and water.

Even if that water is expanded many times in the form of steam due to the heat of its surroundings, it still occupies less area than the disassociated gases due to molecular recombination back into a form of water.

I've often wondered at what type of mechanical means could harness both effects as the explosion/implosion conversion happens very quickly and the internal combustion engine (piston form) just can't turn fast enough to capitalize on that.

I'm not sure even a heavily modified Wankel could.

Hi thanks for the reply,

If water is injected then atleast it would help remove (even better if it would cause more expansion) the effect of implosion making the engine more efficient. It would be nice to see an engine using the explosion/implosion but I think it would be extremely difficult to achieve. 

[ramset]

Gentlemen

What process explains the Hydrogen torch? [Browns gas,numerous U Tube demos Etc]

DR Stifflers continuous burning flame at no pressure

  Chet

[TheNOP]

Gentlemen

What process explains the Hydrogen torch? [Browns gas,numerous U Tube demos Etc]

DR Stifflers continuous burning flame at no pressure

  Chet

if i remember right, mr Stifflers was separating oxygen from the hydrogen before burning the gas.

hydrogen torch use flame arrestor.

[ramset]

NOP

Yes Stiffler separated the Hydrogen{I forgot that part][lighting it right on top of the water in a wick]

Does browns torch also separate the oxygen?

Chet

[exxcomm0n]

Hi Chet,

I'd think there are 2 reasons for the HHO torch not to "blow itself out" w/ the implosion effect.

1.) The torch is not a sealed chamber.

As Ironhead pointed out from his experimentation, there has to be a pretty specific ratio of 66.6% (H2) and 33.3% (O) for "perfect" recombination. A bubbler ignition is a good example of this. An explosion in an airtight bubbler should completely implode and destroy the bubbler.

A bubbler does not completely implode and rupture (if it is made of a flexible material like a plastic soda bottle) from ignition because it has 2 outlets, the gas inlet from the generation chamber, and the gas outlet (to torch, tank, etc.).
The ignition source is always (hopefully) coming from the outlet side so if the flame front from ignition is traveling towards the bubbler there is a small vacuum in its previous path so it is "sucking" atmosphere behind it as it explodes to fill the vacuum created by recombination.
The explosive force when the flame front reaches the bubbler blows water back up the supply tube from the bubbler towards the generation chamber, momentarily compressing the gas output from the generator (again, hopefully. If not, it can be at the very least a big mess), and then sucks it back with the resulting vacuum.

The explosion happening in the bubbler can push water back towards the generation chamber and suck it back during implosion, but has more explosive force pushing back towards the outlet because of not having the resistive force of pushing water and positive pressure from the gas generation chamber (pushing atmosphere, or expanding towards the vacuum in the line it created getting to the bubbler).

2.) The torch flame is getting a continuous "feed" of HHO

A good torch will be supplying HHO to the flame at a rate faster than the burning HHO can travel back towards the gas supply through the (small) hole it goes through towards the atmosphere. The bigger this hole is, the more gas supply is necessary to keep it from traveling back towards the supply chamber.
If you cannot supply gas fast enough for the hole size, flashback occurs and the implosion can be seen because of the airtight nature of the HHO gas generation,  the collection path and the small aperture of the hole used for your torch as the path of least resistance to the atmosphere.

Otherwise, you just hear a "POP" when the torch flame snuffs itself.