Aiming @ the VIC coil

[Farlander]

I have a hard time getting my mind around what is happening in the bifilar...
if it is wired like in this diagram, then what is happening in each coil?

I'll refer to TX5 as the "positive" choke and TX4 as the "negative" choke

My understanding is -- the primary (TX1) generates a flux field which causes the secondary (TX2) to induce a voltage field relative in strength to the number of windings, etc. yea yea got that

So now, voltage is being applied to the start of the positive choke.  Normally, a coil with voltage applied to it will induce an even higher voltage at the output.  Since there is the negative choke however, I don't think any voltage drop/increase occurs, because the opposite inductances cancel each other out.

When I try to imagine the circuit in action, I see the + volts being applied, and current starting to flow from ground, through the "negative" choke, towards the water cell.  Some current will jump the water gap and flow into the positive choke... at this instant, current flow across the water gap is opposed because of opposing magnetic fields generated by the chokes.... one thing though did Meyers use an air core or ferrite core for his chokes?  If it was an air core this would suggest they are not designed to "choke" current but are more to induce voltage.

[dankie]

I have a hard time getting my mind around what is happening in the bifilar...
if it is wired like in this diagram, then what is happening in each coil?

I'll refer to TX5 as the "positive" choke and TX4 as the "negative" choke

My understanding is -- the primary (TX1) generates a flux field which causes the secondary (TX2) to induce a voltage field relative in strength to the number of windings, etc. yea yea got that

So now, voltage is being applied to the start of the positive choke.  Normally, a coil with voltage applied to it will induce an even higher voltage at the output.  Since there is the negative choke however, I don't think any voltage drop/increase occurs, because the opposite inductances cancel each other out.

When I try to imagine the circuit in action, I see the + volts being applied, and current starting to flow from ground, through the "negative" choke, towards the water cell.  Some current will jump the water gap and flow into the positive choke... at this instant, current flow across the water gap is opposed because of opposing magnetic fields generated by the chokes.... one thing though did Meyers use an air core or ferrite core for his chokes?  If it was an air core this would suggest they are not designed to "choke" current but are more to induce voltage.

Meyers used an EI core , not an air core .

That pulsing core design is most likely a laminated silicon steel  EI core or a U core

[Shanti]

I believe each cavity has the resonant chokes wrapped in sequantial order , blue/red/blue/red ...

The segments are not resonant cavities or resonant anythings, it is to partition the High voltage to try and prevent arc over which can be death to a transformer of this type.

Ahh I see. I think what Dankie meant was, that he didn't wind them bifilar, but that at every section he switched the coil. E.g. The first section was just purely the first coil, the second the second, the third section again the first coil, ...
Sure, then it would make sense. You would loose a lot of the bifilar effect, as the capacity would drastically decrease, but at least you would still get some capacitance between the coils, at least more, than winding them seperately.
Stan always speaks of his RLC Resonance. But the way he speaks of it doesn't make sense, as his blocking diode, actually prevents any oscillation. But this would not be the case if the bifilars were bifilar, or at least have some capacitance in between them. As then, this capacitance between the bifilars would bypass the diode and allow an oscillation...

that is why special things should be done as Grumpy stated in a different thread, like put it in a box and fill it with tar type stuff

Sure, this would be obvious to me. Either you close the openings of the bobbin sections again after the wiring with a good dielectric, or you immerse the whole bobbin e.g. into some oil. I would do the second. You could also buy some special HV-Isolation-Epoxy and cast the bobbin in it in a vacuum, but this is also quite pricy. Therefore I would prefer using some oil.

That pulsing core design is most likely a laminated silicon steel  EI core or a U core

According to Dynodon in the waterfuelcell forum, who saw the real Stan stuff, it was just a simple "I"-Core. But the core layout is IMHO only of secondary importance. Important would be, that it is correctly dimensioned (material usable for the frequencies, core doesn't go into saturation, ...), to yield a good flyback transformer.

To go back to my same bifilar polarity theory: 

I stated that it maybe would make sense, to positively charge the water to weaken the bonds, or better said to ionize the water, prior to giving it a HV Pulse.

The funny thing is Stan himself wrote something like this in his patents (e.g. US4,936,961):

[...]In the process electrons are extracted from the water bath; electrons are not consumed nor are electrons introduced into the water bath by the circuit as electrons are conventionally introduced in an electrolysis process. There may nevertheless occur a leakage current through the water. Those hydrogen atoms missing electrons become neutralized; and atoms are liberated from the water. The charged atoms and electrons are attracted to opposite polarity voltage zones created between the capacitor plates. The electrons formerly shared by atoms in the water co-valent bond are reallocated such that neutral elemental gases are liberated.[...]

[sparks]

   If you use two chokes slightly out of tune to the same input voltage the voltage arriving at the cell will be a very sharp pulse.  The mismatched impedance of the chokes have the voltage appear at the cell in a very short duration pulse.  This spike is way up there in the emwave energy spectrum.  Ionization potential.  This is gained from a very low frequency scource.

[ronvbnt]

I just uploaded first ever videos showing a working spiral spool spinner making twisted bifilar wire.  https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/805268116/spool-spinner-makes-axially-spiraled-wire-twisted-0

Unless you found a way to twist thousands of feet of wire then none of you have followed Stans VIC guide.

I describe why I think it will work in the link above. Ron