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Real OU-Effect to Share with everyone!!!

Started by Magnethos, February 02, 2009, 08:37:03 PM

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Magnethos

Quote from: Koen1 on February 11, 2009, 10:11:49 AM
Interesting setup Magnetos :)

As for the "splitting the positive" element, that reminds me of Grey's
circuits where he "split the positive" and managed to produce apparent OU...
Is this perhaps a variation on the same theme?

Also, do we or don't we need to use a bifilar coil in this?

Regards,
Koen

The original experiment is using a Bifilar coil and the positive split. Armakuni his performing the experiment with a monofilar coil and without splitting the positive. I have repeated him a lot of times about using the bifilar and the positive split. I hope he uses that configuration in the next videos. One of the big keys is use a bifilar coil. Maybe Armakuni cannot get good results for the same reason. He needs to use the exact schematics. Once he has tested the exact experiment, then we will can improve it. But he is getting 26 Volts from a 12 Volts battery.

Yeah, Ev Gray used that technique. Some people has told me that splitting the positive, a battery acts as a diode. (¿?)

hartiberlin

Does anybody know, how the Bifilar coil was really connected ?
Was it wired like a real Bifilar coil which supresses the magnetic field in a Bifilar coil ?
Or was it just wired 2 coils in parallel , so we get the half of total inductance ?

Or was it wired like 2 bucking coils, so that each coil was canceling the other magnet field,
but each coil was wound seperate onto the core ?

Lots of possibilities here...

Regards, Stefan.
Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum

Magnethos

Quote from: hartiberlin on February 11, 2009, 04:45:21 PM
Does anybody know, how the Bifilar coil was really connected ?
Was it wired like a real Bifilar coil which supresses the magnetic field in a Bifilar coil ?
Or was it just wired 2 coils in parallel , so we get the half of total inductance ?

Or was it wired like 2 bucking coils, so that each coil was canceling the other magnet field,
but each coil was wound seperate onto the core ?

Lots of possibilities here...

Regards, Stefan.


A guy said me this:
Hi Magnethos,

Essentially a bifilar coil is pretty much a double wound coil. Instead of using one wire you use two wires of similar or slightly different thickness and wound it around a spool.
There are many techniques that will enhance the effectiveness but lets stick to the basics for now.
Imagine winding a single wire coil around an empty fishing line spool. When you are finished you are left with two wires. The end that you started with and the end that you finished with.
Now imagine winding two wires at the same time around another spool. At the end you are left with 4 wires, two wires you started with and two that you ended with.
There are some nice videos on YouTube that show you exactly how to wind bifilar coils. Actually thats how I started out.

Now in NRG's circuit diagram he shows a bifilar coil but with only two wires which is actually 4 wire ends joined into 2 groups making two wires.
I hope that makes sense.

For now consider winding the bifilar coil first. My first coil I still use. Its approximately 300-350 turns around an emtpy fishing line spool. I used 23 and 26 gage wire to wind it.




Bifilar Secret:
I got stuck on the bifilar coil wiring as NRG only shows two wires leaving the coil and I was expecting four. The 'secret' I eventually discovered was to combine the four bifilar wires into 2 wires by knotting them together

Source: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2601-capacitor-charging.html

If anyone read the comments on that thread, you can read the comment that a guy got 125 Volts from 2x12 Volts. 100 Extra Volts. :)

MeggerMan

Thinking aloud:
As everyone knows, bifilar can mean two or more strands of wire wound together. 
But it can also mean the ends are swapped (in the case of 2 strands like Stefan said to counter a magnetic field being produced in the core).
OK, theory on the bifilar being better is (possibly) down to the "skin" effect in the coil of such a short "bouncy" pulse.
http://www.bcae1.com/trnsfrmr.htm

Three wires shorted creating a higher voltage - I suspect that the battery is dropped across the coil directly and much more current is able to flow creating a much higher BEMF so when the contacts break this jumps the gap and charges the cap. Downside here is that it will short the cap out before it charges, so any charge already in the cap will be lost as heat in the wire.

Regards
Rob



Magnethos

There are a lot of possible theories, but I think that when we use the bifilar coil, the magnetic field is cancelled as Stefan says. So, in the bifilar coil only pure potential (longitudinal, scalar) energy flows.
When anyone use the longitudinal energy (pure potential, electrostatic, scalar, torsion waves, radiant energy, negative electricity... a lot of names for the same energy) the characteristics of the components are opposite. A positive resistor is a negative resistor, a battery is a diode... etc...

So, it's critic to use a bifilar coil and not a monofilar coil.