ENERGY AMPLIFICATION

[MarkE]

Bob, the fundamental issue is that energy storage devices:  inductors, capacitors etc always give back less electrical energy than we put into them.  When the quality factor of the storage device is high the portion we lose can be very small, but it is still there. 

[Marsing]

Listen to how Peter Lindemann describes the key energy amplification dynamic in many of Tesla's patents here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU-41VqjATdRAlN7ztX8S30A&v=eDoz5vgkTOI&feature=player_detailpage#t=2219
It's basically charging an inductor, discharging into a cap.  Sounds like Tito as well, with a few twists of course.
One of the things that's stayed with me is Mags' reference to Tito saying that the zener diode was taking the place of the spark gap. Once the voltage reached the zener's threshold, pop! 
What if we had a multi stranded (i.e., charging in parallel) core, discharging through a zener, then into a cap, and a few other coil arrangements to boost things and perhaps feed back into the system...
Bob

It's more powerful than that concept, automatic and dangerous,
"charging an inductor, discharging into a cap" is only to limit power consumption at right resonance, IMO

[Magluvin]

Listen to how Peter Lindemann describes the key energy amplification dynamic in many of Tesla's patents here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UU-41VqjATdRAlN7ztX8S30A&v=eDoz5vgkTOI&feature=player_detailpage#t=2219
It's basically charging an inductor, discharging into a cap.  Sounds like Tito as well, with a few twists of course.
One of the things that's stayed with me is Mags' reference to Tito saying that the zener diode was taking the place of the spark gap. Once the voltage reached the zener's threshold, pop! 
What if we had a multi stranded (i.e., charging in parallel) core, discharging through a zener, then into a cap, and a few other coil arrangements to boost things and perhaps feed back into the system...
Bob

Im not sure Tito even used the zener this way. It was just a guess while thinking about it. He wont confirm it either way.

Many would say that the zener would just regulate the voltage at a constant rate. But that would be conventional thinking when it comes to zeners.  It cant replace  spark gap directly. Say we have 1kv zener and the discharge cap reaches 1kv, well the zener would be a 1kv voltage drop and the output could only be any voltage above the caps 1kv.  So if the cap had 1025v and was then connected to the circuit with a 1kv zener/spark gap, the load would only see 25v.

So the only way I see the zener involved with an alternate method spark gap would be used as a trigger to control a switch/transistor/etc.  But from the way he wrote about it, I dont think that is correct either, as he told me they are wonderful devices and can handle a lot of current. So just as a trigger doesnt add up.

So still, after all this time, still not sure.

After all this time however, I deduce that the answer is in the coil/transformer winding/construction as I said the other day and Reiyuki is saying so also. I have no idea yet how to use that coil, as to how to drive it or get power out yet. Hope he can deliver a starter kit of info on a basic circuit and coil dimensions. All else is just control circuitry. We all have to know by now that there is no special circuitry that can make a normal coil/transformer produce OU. So far anyway. lol

Back to the Utkin pdf. 

Mags

[Dave45]

Building a capacitive discharge circuit is easy enough
discharging through a load or through a transformer
but will you get ou 
Q1 can pump up C2 to very high voltages then Q2 will discharge C2 into the load or tran.
I cant see how a zener would do any good.

[Dave45]

You would probably have to use igbt's the power through Q2 would probably fry anything else, but that would depend on the frequency of Q1 and other parameters.
Q1 could be ran at high frequency then Q2 could be ran at 60hz