This must work! Altering magnetic field without cost. OU or not?

[Low-Q]

Hi Low-Q
Do you have any means possible to build a small simple test version of your design?
Using of shelf magnets and some small necessary custom made magnets
might cost you 500-600 USD. This way you could build and test your motor.
Sometimes a theory is not enough. You actually need to feel the hardware.

This place can provide you with both regular and custom made magnets: http://www.magnesy.eu
They are not expensive but if you wan't it cheap you could go for their selection of ferrite magnets.
I have myself ordered custom made NdFebs from Magnesy in the past, delivered in excellent quality.

Thanks for the info, Honk. I have in fact a lots of neomagnets. Maybe 20 -25 in total of 70mm x 5mm x 5mm, and 70mm x 5mm x 2.5mm. They are all magnetized through thickness and has been used in ribbon tweeters. I also have a defective Fountec tweeter with four big block neos inside, but that tweeter I use for test purpose (I also engineering loudspeaker drivers as a hobby). So I have all the magnets and it will not cost me anything, but I have no tools for making the actual motor, so I need help for that.

If anyone is interested, just send me a PM so I can ship my neos for a small desposit + shipping. The neos is not for sale so I want them back so I can use them for loudspeaker test purpose.

Br.

Vidar

[Honk]

CLaNZeR might be able to build this quickly. Here is his profile.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=3471
You could contact him and ask if he's interested in building it.

He's got a NC milling machine and here's a couple of links to his results.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCVri4R31gU&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYk9oxZV-9E&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJaPZngacek&feature=PlayList&p=036A662613A53733&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=14

[Low-Q]

Low-q all I'm asking is to use pretty basic electro-magnetic concepts. If I showed you a working prototype then wouldn't you be asking yourself what was wrong with yours? Use common sense, it's not rocket science but simple things that were known for 150 years. I believe I already told you to look up the Faraday motor and the rail gun concept. If you understand those then you will understand where I'm coming from.

Hi,

I know how a faraday disc is working, and a rail gun, but I just cannot see what these concepts has to do with a magnet motor, or how you ar going to close a loop using magnets in stead of electric supply in your construction, and make those work as OU. So could you please make a drawing of your design with an explanation. There is obviously something I have missed in your previous explanations. You also mentioned electromagnets - are you also using those in your design?


Br.

Vidar

[broli]

@Honk, you reminded me of wondering where Clanzer is. He hasn't been active for quite a while

@Low-Q, Take a linear rail gun and bend it into a circle, that is pretty much the idea. Experiments show that the rail gun has a significant recoil that can compress the rails carrying the current themselves this is what ampere kept calling the longitudinal magnetic force that acts ALONG instead of PERPENDICULAR to the current carrying wire. Now instead of making your own magnetic field with current like the rails do here I use permanent magnets in repulsion to obtain the same field as a rail gun. Because that's what a rail gun is as well. Two rails with opposing current direction repulsing each other.

Now I'm suggesting two things. One is to have a stationary piece of wire (in a rail gun this is what gets shot out) and allow the actual rails themselves to rotate due to that longitudinal force. In my design this means that the magnets are rotating while the wire is stationary. As the magnets rotate the wire sees no change or is not moving so no lenz effect or back emf arises. This means that the magnets can rotate as fast as they want and can. My other suggestion is instead of a current carrying wire one could even use a permanent magnet for either the same exact setup or to let everything rotate. The magnets in repulsion that provide the field will rotate due the longitudinal force while the magnet on the sides inside this field will rotate due the Lorentz force.

[Low-Q]

@Honk, you reminded me of wondering where Clanzer is. He hasn't been active for quite a while

@Low-Q, Take a linear rail gun and bend it into a circle, that is pretty much the idea. Experiments show that the rail gun has a significant recoil that can compress the rails carrying the current themselves this is what ampere kept calling the longitudinal magnetic force that acts ALONG instead of PERPENDICULAR to the current carrying wire. Now instead of making your own magnetic field with current like the rails do here I use permanent magnets in repulsion to obtain the same field as a rail gun. Because that's what a rail gun is as well. Two rails with opposing current direction repulsing each other.

Now I'm suggesting two things. One is to have a stationary piece of wire (in a rail gun this is what gets shot out) and allow the actual rails themselves to rotate due to that longitudinal force. In my design this means that the magnets are rotating while the wire is stationary. As the magnets rotate the wire sees no change or is not moving so no lenz effect or back emf arises. This means that the magnets can rotate as fast as they want and can. My other suggestion is instead of a current carrying wire one could even use a permanent magnet for either the same exact setup or to let everything rotate. The magnets in repulsion that provide the field will rotate due the longitudinal force while the magnet on the sides inside this field will rotate due the Lorentz force.

I see, so you want to use permanentmagnets instead ofthe supplied energy to create the same field in a coil?
But doesnt the projectile accelerate because of a sudden and brutal change in magnetic field - from nothing, to destructing amount of magnetic fields? I cannot see how a permanent magnetic field can do the same unless you mechanicly move them to change the field - or something. A railgun works pretty much like a squirrel cage induction motor which is working by changing a magnetic field that will, as it change, induce a similar magnetic field in the conductors in the rotor that force the rotor to turn. These motors are like a railgun, but in a closed loop. But these motors doesnt work with DC current or a static magnetic field.
Just some thoughts.

Br.

Vidar