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Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim

Started by X00013, March 17, 2009, 06:27:33 AM

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nyctuber

Quote from: chrisC on April 23, 2009, 12:10:11 PM
Sterlinga:

Did you see TK's latest set of MyLow debunking videos?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mhs5nnRSB4&feature=channel_page

cheers
chrisC

TK couldn't get it to work. He removes the electric motor, which Mylow DIDN'T have, shows the sonic signature of the bearings, etc, and lets it run down with keepers on the rotor margnets. He plays Zappa and shows it's level as some sort of proof that he didn't simply fail. What an idiot.

chrisC

Quote from: nyctuber on April 23, 2009, 12:38:52 PM
TK couldn't get it to work. He removes the electric motor, which Mylow DIDN'T have, shows the sonic signature of the bearings, etc, and lets it run down with keepers on the rotor margnets. He plays Zappa and shows it's level as some sort of proof that he didn't simply fail. What an idiot.

@ nyctuber

Well, TK showed an explanation based upon some given variables, such as disk size, weight, material and similar but not identical magnets. Then he proceeded to show how long it took to wind down an unassisted rotating disk at a certain RPM etc. Plus even showed his electric motor to keep the disk accelerating until he unplugged it. These are facts and the results tracked with MyLow's 'discovery'.

Now, we all took MyLow's word for it and his videos seemed real. He could have hidden the electric motor inside that big spindle(?). I like to believe MyLow's experiment but because of these MIB excuses and the fact he has never been able to independently verify these experiments leaves a bad taste in the mouth, so to speak. TK's way of showing potential snakeoil videos may not appeal to many but he has put in significant work just to prove there needs to be independent verification.

I hold my judgement but I am more convinced TK's videos tell the story better.

cheers
chrisC

nyctuber

Quote from: chrisC on April 23, 2009, 12:50:29 PM
@ nyctuber

Well, TK showed an explanation based upon some given variables, such as disk size, weight, material and similar but not identical magnets. Then he proceeded to show how long it took to wind down an unassisted rotating disk at a certain RPM etc. Plus even showed his electric motor to keep the disk accelerating until he unplugged it. These are facts and the results tracked with MyLow's 'discovery'.

Now, we all took MyLow's word for it and his videos seemed real. He could have hidden the electric motor inside that big spindle(?). I like to believe MyLow's experiment but because of these MIB excuses and the fact he has never been able to independently verify these experiments leaves a bad taste in the mouth, so to speak. TK's way of showing potential snakeoil videos may not appeal to many but he has put in significant work just to prove there needs to be independent verification.

I hold my judgement but I am more convinced TK's videos tell the story better.

cheers
chrisC

I know he's using good controlled method, but what I see is another guy who couldn't reproduce it and did not prove why. If Mylow had an electric motor in the base, how was he able to stop rotation with his hand? An elaborate remote controlled motor? What, he started the remote controlled motor, then stopped it via remote, then stopped the platter with his hand during wind down? No way. I think it's fair to say that it's not about exact spacing between the rotors, that's really all I can glean from this mess.

queue

Quote from: Omnibus on April 23, 2009, 07:27:46 AM
@Queue,

Tried to post this comment on youtube but for some reason it won't appear there. So, here it is:


Got fed up with all the nut jobs who like to prove they have zero class and throw endless insults about magnet motors or the search for overunity.. i put moderation on the comments and as i work a 9 to 5 and i can't always log in to approve pending comments in a timely fashion it can take some time before it shows up.

i don't mind if people disagree with me - that's what free speech is all about and i do approve comments of that nature too, even if i disagree with their opinion, but i don't have to tolerate rude or ignorant commentary and i won't given the choice.
i remove the people types who choose to play the immature ignoramus role and block them from my videos.   
your comment was approved BTW. 

Quote from: Omnibus on April 23, 2009, 07:27:46 AM

@QueueContinuum, to dispel the main concern regarding this device, expressed here by @Drevtoobe, it has to be shown that there’s no initial barrier. In other words, the rotation has to be started way before the rotor magnets enter where the rotor-stator magnet interaction gets noticeable. Just shove the rotor slightly at that point to give it approximately the speed it has at the exit. You accidentally do something similar at 0:35-0:37 and 3:15-3:16 but the results don’t seem promising.

If the initial barrier, the barrier when rotor magnets enter the stator field, using for that the energy gained from the previous cluster, cannot be overcome then the studied configuration isn't working. The fact that the rotor turns when started "from the top of the hill" so to speak, that is, when you've imparted to it, as you're doing in the video, enough energy to overcome the initial barrier, is something well known. It isn't an indication that there's a promise in this particular configuration or any other tried the same way.

IMO a good config moves the rotor with nice acceleration and has only a small pullback effect leaving the stator array - i find that when i try to advantage the power in the magnets by moving the stator closer to the rotors - the entry rotor repel sequence to the stator field is too strong and the pullback leaving the stators field noticeably slows down the rotor.
A good config moves smoothly from one rotor segment to another.

i like the config with 8 rotors - it moves nice and it is one that i saw on one of Mylows videos - the one where he shows the wave. On that disk he had 2 rotor segments  ( 3 * 8 rotors + 1 * 4 )  +  (3 * 8 + 1* 3)  - i plan to try this config next  and see if it works having tried just about everything else i have seen on his disk so far.
Still no Mylow effect here though.

Thanks for your suggestions - every bit helps.

Cheers
Queue



Omnibus

@queue,

QuoteIMO a good config moves the rotor with nice acceleration and has only a small pullback effect leaving the stator array

Can we see that in a vid? Much appreciated.