Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

[fletcher]

@fletcher,

Your last text again doesn't help in explaining as to why two balls with equal gravitational potential energy clearly convert it into two different amounts of kinetic energy thus apparently violating the second, "transformation", part of CoE (violation of the first, "conservation", part has already been proven definitively earlier).

Just giving examples with slaloms and reconfirming that transformation of a given amount of potential energy into other kinds of energy is construction dependent isn't addressing the main issue.

But they don't omnibus - at any same height when two identical balls are compared they have the same velocity i.e. kinetic energy [translational & rotational], regardless of the path they follow which only dictates how long they took to get down to that height or datum.

I would suggest that the work-energy equivalence theorem might have some part to play in answering your question - so to compare the relative energies of the two balls you need to treat them as discrete 'snap shots' like a video frame by frame, IMO - then you do the sums & calculate the Pe & the Ke in that frame or instant - like static analysis.

I would ask you a question - can you intergrate the area under the curve [curve representing the path taken] & if not, why not ? - if so, what conclusions can you draw from that ?

[Omnibus]

@fletcher,

But they don't omnibus - at any same height when two identical balls are compared they have the same velocity i.e. kinetic energy [translational & rotational], regardless of the path they follow which only dictates how long they took to get down to that height or datum.

But they obviously don't have the same velocity because not only one of them travels along a longer path but also gets sooner at the end point. Havening different velocities (their mass being thew same) means that the two balls have different kinetic energies despite having the same initial potential energy. To avoid repeating your confusion, recall, kinetic energy is only a function of mass and velocity and has nothing to do with collision, transfer or whatever else you seem to think it might be connected to.

I would suggest that the work-energy equivalence theorem might have some part to play in answering your question - so to compare the relative energies of the two balls you need to treat them as discrete 'snap shots' like a video frame by frame, IMO - then you do the sums & calculate the Pe & the Ke in that frame or instant - like static analysis.

Not at all. The comparison must be made between the entire quantities of KE the two balls are obviously displaying and the entire initial PE these two balls obviously have. Also, again, no theorem can obliterate what physics understands under kinetic energy--once again, kinetic energy of a body is only a function of m and v and of nothing else.

I would ask you a question - can you intergrate the area under the curve [curve representing the path taken] & if not, why not ? - if so, what conclusions can you draw from that ?

You sure can and the integration is the product of the force on the ball and the displacement. That integration will give you work which will be different for the two balls that have started at the same potential energy--clear violation of CoE.

Don't know yet how the above violation of CoE can be used in engineering terms to create a self-sustaining device but the violations itself is clearly there.

[mondrasek]

Maybe this can help:

The PE of the entire track is related to the height difference of the beginning and end of the track, shown as PEe.  The only KE that can be related to this PEe is the KE at the end.

The ball shown on the long track will be traveling faster at the point shown.  But that velocity/KE is not the result of PEe.  It is the result of the PEb, the height difference of the beginning and it's current position on the track.

Likewise, the ball shown on the short, straight track will be traveling slower at the point shown.  Again, that velocity/KE is not the result of PEe.  It is the result of the PEa, the height difference of the beginning and it's current position on the track.

At any horizontal point of travel where the ball on one track is moving faster than the other, it is also lower.  It has converted more PE to KE.  But only at the end can you relate the KE at that point to the PE (PEe) at that point.

[fletcher]

Work Done = force x distance, measured in Nm's [Joules]

Force = mass x acceleration [a force pushes or pulls something - without mass you wouldn't know a filed of acceleration exhisted because it couldn't interact] - acceleration introduces the time element which is helpful for working out the rate of change or power.

Energy is the capacity to do work also measured in Nm's [Joules] - mechanical energy we might be interested in is either potential energy [i.e. stored or energy of position] or kinetic energy [i.e. energy of motion] - they are in the same units as Work Done therefore are interchangeable [both are a measure of capacity to do work] - Ke is of real interest to us because when applied to a mass it moves it or deforms it & this gives us the objects capacity to perform mechanical work i.e. force x distance i.e. a physical exchange.

You are welcome to explore ways to capture any of that abundance of surplus Ke that you see omnibus & use it to create OU - knock yourself out !

[Omnibus]

@mondrasek,

You already said this and I told you it is incorrect:

The only KE that can be related to this PEe is the KE at the end.

It is incorrect because in such understanding you are ignoring the physical fact that the ball travels along the entire distance and isn't just appearing suddenly at the end of the track.

Thus, when all said and done, the travel of any of the two balls is only due to the PEe. As I said more than once, the entire travel from the beginning to the end has to be had in mind in this analysis and not only some partial observations which fit this or that preconceived notion.

Thus, the fact remains--the same PEe, corresponding to the entire journey of each one of the balls, transforms into two different kinetic energies, depending on the path taken. That's a clear violation of the "transformation" aspect of CoE.