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Overunity Machines Forum



Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant

Started by AquariuZ, April 03, 2009, 01:17:07 PM

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Omnibus

No, no, @Cloxxki, like I said, don't bother, that's not for you. That's theory. Stick to the practical side of this issue.

Omnibus

@P-Motion,

Great build. The problem, as I see it, is in the lack of a ramp. Can you simulate it with WM2D? If you can, see if the center of mass is persistently sideways to the axle at any position of the arm. If that's the case you're there. If not, a suitable ramp has to be added to maintain that persistence.

Omnibus

@P-Motion,

I tried to draw it in WM2D but didn't come out quite right. Has to be drawn first in AutoCAD or some of the solids. We had very skillful people here using WM2D, maybe they can help. It's really necessary to see if this construction maintains persistent sideways position of center of mass w/ respect to axle at all positions of the rotating arm. That's the problem of all devices that have been tried and have not worked -- more important than friction, the center of mass has shifted when they were turning and hasn't stayed always sideways on one side of the axle. Abeling's device is an exception if the trajectory of the balls is properly maintained, some trajectories being more efficient than others. All that is due to the proper form and position of the ramp. I don't see how a device without that will work.

As for what you call "reciprocating potential" I don't at all understand what you mean. Maybe you've discussed that earlier but I've missed that discussion.

Omnibus

@P-Motion,

Here's one very rudimentary sim in WM2D just to show you what you have to look for and try to avoid. As you can see the center of mass in this sim is shifting with respect to the axle and instead of staying always sideways to the axle it moves from the left to the right of the axle in the course of the sway. Such behavior is trivial and will never cause OU. In order to have OU the device has to maintain permanently the sideways position of the center of mass with respect to the axle. Such device is Sjack Abeling's if one can technically ensure the trajectory of the balls to be permanently along the known trajectory forced by the combined action of the slots and the ramp. That should be the goal in our efforts. Maintaining that permanent trajectory throughout is even more important than decreasing friction.

Omnibus

Sorry,@P-Motion, I should've done it earlier and not make you go through the trouble of downloading and installing software. Please see the attached compressed vid (in rar format for being too large as avi) and observe how the mass center floats from the right side downwards and then goes to the left. This behavior of the center of mass should be avoided and the device should always have that mass center uni-directionally sideways with respect to the axle for any position of the moving arm. That's the criterion for a gravity device to be OU.