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The ever elusive magnetic motor

Started by billmehess, April 22, 2009, 10:49:31 PM

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billmehess

Quote from: Lakes on July 14, 2009, 04:39:15 AM
Thanks for the update bill, what changes did you make to get more revs?

Reduced the slight coging effect that was occurring between the stator magnet and the large neo
Slightly stronger magnets in the stator assembly focusing on the rotor magnets
Reducing slightly the space to a optimum point between the two stator magnets and the rotor magnets.

Ergo

Quote from: billmehess on July 14, 2009, 12:29:04 AM
Next video is up showing 7 complete revolutions- work in progress
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DTwMf1OUN4&layer_token=f795fbbc20d803c5

I'll give it to you straight and hard.....it won't work and it never will.
I only see a device slowing down. There is simply no excess energy.
Your device does not accelerate between the sticky spots. It's a dead end.
Without any acceleration you loose energy on each turn. Acceleration is a necessity.
You would do a lot better if you mounted a spring release to a flywheel and let go.
That would spin 30-50 revolutions by the momentum if the ball bearing was classy.
But it would finally stop, as your device does.

Please continue to build and learn. Knowledge is always a good thing.
Don't listen to my fooolish words...I'm simply the judging crowd.

billmehess

I think you are failing to see or hear what I have been saying. My goal is to be able to reintroduce the stator to the turning rotor assembly at about its mid point. When the device is started up I can keep it going by moving the stator every other turn. The point of achieving as many multiple revolutions as possible is not to see how far it goes before it runs down but to have enough torque to energize the stator. At now 7 revolutions there is a lot of torque during the first revolution and it is that energy I plan to use. Never say never.
Right now you are looking at a device which is moving through the magnetic gate purely on permanent magnet power. The device is started from a static position and achieves multiple revolutions through the gate.
This has not been done before!
I have read many times that there was no way for any combination of magnets to push a rotor through the gate since the rotor would naturally slow down and not have enough energy to get Thur the gate. Since this device shows the rotor moving past the gate numerous times  then the energy being produced is MORE ( or in excess) than enough to cause these multiple revolutions to occur.
One more time, when the device is spinning and I move the stator to meet the spinning rotor platform in the middle ( and move it back)  I can keep the device spinning continuously.

Ergo

Quote from: billmehess on July 14, 2009, 09:45:05 PM
This has not been done before!

Oh yes it has...over and over.
It's only the initial release energy you are using. Like a spring.
Just like all the other guys trying on a pure magnet motor concept.
Please continue your design but I'm infinity % sure there is nothing
more to this than stored energy being released.

billmehess

Quote from: Ergo on July 15, 2009, 06:49:04 AM
Oh yes it has...over and over.
It's only the initial release energy you are using. Like a spring.
Just like all the other guys trying on a pure magnet motor concept.
Please continue your design but I'm infinity % sure there is nothing
more to this than stored energy being released.
Of course its stored energy being released. All "magnetic motors"  begin this way. I ask you the following please show me an example of:

1. Using only permanent magnets  (no springs or heavy fly wheels) a device making multiple revolutions
2. The stator used must be stationary and part of the closed system, in other words not just hand held .
3. The stator must on its own disengage from the system and allow the rotor system to run AND
move through a magnetic gate multiple times (lets say 7 times) before stopping.

What I have here is a sine wave on a decreasing base line slope. The rotor does accelerate each time it goes past the gate or the obvious coging effect would simply stop it. Energy is being lost
on each revolution because the stator is not being reintroduced -at this time- into the system.

My goal is not to see how many spin down revolutions I can achieve. That is only relevent because it is telling me the amount of initial energy available to me to be used
to push the stator back up into position to attempt to continue the revolutions.
The device will on its own allow the stator to drop back each revolution . Again
with enough torque being created on the first revolution I would be able to move the stator back into position.
If that amount of initial torque can be generated remains to be seen, but it is to that single goal that I am working to.