High volume gas production at 12,6 Volts and 10mA !

[BushWacker]

Thank you sNick. You just gave me all the information that I've been looking for for a long time. So, it appears that this is possible afterall eh? With all the doubts about which alleged technologies are real and which ones are scams/frauds it is my opinion that more of us should return to what we know to be certain. Splitting H2O is one of those sure things, and if we can find a highly efficient way to do that we are well on our way to solving our immediate problems anyway. The chances of me being able to find a better way than this guy are pretty slim with what I have to work with but, perhaps if enough of us focus our attention on what we know to be proven science we could greatly improve the chances. Thanks again for that info sNick. Now I know which direction to go from here. If I find anything worth-while sharing I will definately let everyone here know.

Cheers,

Jim

[saintsnick]

This is the way. There probably won't be a better way at all, ever.  After all, what is water? A soup of atoms.  The atomic resonance method via complicated changing modulated electrical waveforms is probably the most efficient dis-association of chemical bonds possible.  Any other method should be less efficient, say mechanical/sonic disassociation of chemicals or maybe heat exchange disassociation; less efficient because chemicals are held together by electrical bonds and injecting perfectly tuned electricity instead of some other means is a direct attack on those bonds. Just when the Doctor ordered.

Now if anything, try to adopt this guy Puharich's technology to be simpler to construct.  Maybe build the thing first piece by piece, then modify components, say the chamber, to be made from easily accessible parts for easy construction and massproduction.  Maybe find a way to simplify the electronics, which he shows in great detail if you look up one of the patent numbers listed in the text on that link I sent.

http://www.rexresearch.com/puharich/1puhar.htm#4394230

Maybe this guy Puharich already simplified design plans to include store bought parts.  Maybe someone on this board will look at the diagrams on this link and recognise some of the parts.  I for one can not.

I'd like to see a colaborated effort to replicate this technology.



Interesting thing.... This guy in his system changes the wave shape and frequency as the water starts to disassociate, to further push it into a higher volume per moment disassociation.   There was another link on this site I saw the other day where someone was saying something similar.

http://www.ecosustainablevillage.com/us_patents.htm

I tried something similar to this; a function generator hooked up to an amplifier, again stainless steele plates in distilled water, with a different electrolyte, swept through a wide range of frequency's slowly and found no magical frequency.  But this guy, like Puharich, is changing the frequency as the process occurs, starting small but building increased action.

Similar thoughts (was this Teslas?) http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,485.0.html




Still looking for information on Stiffler... Anyone?

-sNick

[BushWacker]

After 33+ years of intensive investigation and research into alternative energy technologies I have come to believe the same as you sNick. I do definately believe that this is indeed the best/most likely route to take in our search for alternative energy. The information that you have supplied in your recent posts to this subject have been of great interest to me. Especially the link you gave to the gentleman who used less than 5v/300mA to split approx., .5 litre of water. If this information is honest and accurate it essentially provides irrefutable evidence that this approach can produce potentially more hydrogen per energy quantum than any other method that I have been able to find. If this information is in fact true then it is the frequency of the applied signal/current that we need to focus on and not necessarily the amount of energy we need to crack H2O. I want you to know that you have encouraged such curiosity in me that I have decided to change the immediate direction of my R&D to investigate the claims that these fellow researchers are making. I have made enough progress in the development of HOPE technologies at this point that if these claims are in fact true, I believe we should be able to crack at least the equivilant volume of H20 with nothing more than the amount of power recieved by a crystal radio for example. I plan to post an update on my HOPE R&D in the appropriate subject area very soon for those who may be interested. At this time however, I just want to thank you sNick, and also John, for the very encouraging and exciting information that you guys have been so kind as to share with this group. No doubt that, if we are to see anything other than fossil fuels and the various other polluting energy technologies being widely used anytime soon we are the ones who will have to make it happen. I will be re-directing my efforts towards this area of research and will keep you all posted on anything of importance that I find.


Best Regards All,

Jim

[saintsnick]

So I dug a little further on Stiffler's site.

http://www.stifflerscientific.org/cre.html

So according to this, Stiffler himsels says his process is Not cost efficient.  Appearantly, he is only gaining a max uf twice the normal output by recapturing the spent energy in a capasitor and discharging that same energy through the electrolosys cell during a 50% duty cycly "off" time of the power supply. Basically utilizing half the power at input by switching off 50% of the time, and in that time, re-dumping captured and normally wasted energy.  Stiffler himself says this circuit cannever be more than 100 the conventional output.

It is however an advance.

Something to note, Stiffler is talking about the Redux reaction actually being ionic in his case.  This is NOT ordinary electrolosys.

He also mentions Stanley Meyers, but that his own work was NOT that of Stanley myers, but that Myers only inspired him in this direction.


I guess it's back to the drawing board to find that elusive process.   I believe Myers or  Puharich is the way to go.

[fwalenda]

i also like the myers approch.have an extra car that im going to try it on.sellling my second house for funds to persue this and the gray circut.i feel thease are the best bets.in about 20 days is the closeing,so when i start i will post my results and pics every week for others to try and confirm my findings if any.im a millwright by trade and have four years in electronics training.the diagrams i have seem simple enough also any help will be greatly appreciated.free power for all is my goal.lets break the oil companies back.