There is no Over Unity

[IronShell3d]

There is no Over Unity.

Never was. It is a bad name which creates a non useful expectation. The ability to do work / power (use energy over time) always must have a prime energy source.

What is really being sought is devices which source their ability to do external work / deliver power from unconventional (unconventional that is to the norm energy stream) prime energy sources. LENR is one example.

So I now use UED (Unconventional Energy Device) to describe such a device.

We know we can use a magnetic field to act like an energy conduit and convert the power of the prime energy source into a magnetic field and then into the ability to do work. Here the prime energy source is that which causes /drives the electron movement, which then creates the magnetic field, which enables the transfer of the prime energy source into the final load and creates the ability to do work.

You should look at a magnetic field as you would look at a pair of copper wires. Not the source of the energy but just the energy transport system.

A UED can then be seen to work by tapping the prime energy source that caused the 3D shell Iron electrons to spin. However tapping electron spin energy, will have an effect on the energy retained by the electron spin. Some suggest the electron spin energy will not be effect as it will be recharged by ZPE. I suggest that is more about hope that proof.

So there is a way for a UED to work but at a cost of the energy of the spinning electrons in the 3D shell of the Iron atom. What would happen as this spin was converted into external work? Over time the spin will reduce and the electron will drop out of the 3D shell and move inward or to another nearby atom resulting in a change in the composition of the Iron atom that lost the 3D shell electron and maybe resulting in the reduction / final loss of the external magnetic field.

No Free Lunches in UED research.

What is clear is there is energy stored in the 3D shell of the iron atom due to the unbalanced electron spins there:

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=qO8mYqgnqzkC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=iron+subshell&source=bl&ots=FYFdCaHLqG&sig=rjL_EYv9C9nEu0uZwZIyHw_FqLE&hl=en&ei=8_8YSvy4DYKUkAXvsc38DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=20

It was stored there when the iron was created in the belly of our young sun just before it went Nova and then belched it out to help to form the planets.

So what causes that magnetic field of a magnet that we all like to play with? The SUN, when it created Iron.

Can the energy stored by the Sun in the 3D Iron atom shell be tapped to do useful work? Yes it can but like all energy sources, tapping it will come at a cost.

"You always need to pay the ferry man to get to the other side".

So guys there is energy stored in those 4 unpaired electrons in the 3D shell of Iron and other similar elements in that group. Don't let anyone tell you your quest to tap that energy it impossible because it is not. Just go forward with an understanding of where the energy is, how it came to be stored there and how the magnetic field created by those 4 x 3d shell electrons is acting like a energy conduit (a magnetic field is NOT an energy source) that is allowing you to tap the energy that was stored there by the Sun a VERY LONG TIME ago.

IronShell3d

[newbie123]

Here's the best definition of over-unity that I could find. 
http://www.reference.com/search?q=Over-unity&o=100074

The first sentence seems to imply "over-unity" can be considered either a perpetual motion device (which isn't likely to exist), or a closed system with a COP>1 (i.e. E=mc^2).   

[lostcauses10x]

I will have to agree with this stuff. If such was found to be OU a study of it would show a bit more than was thought going on. Yet to disagree with folks looking for such, NO. They may find some thing unknown, and or different methods of energy than we use today.

[IronShell3d]

Hi Lostcauses10x,

All energy MUST come from some where.

The energy that creates the magnetic field of a magnet comes from the 4 unpaired shell 3d electrons, spinning forever around the Iron Atom.

They have energy, just like the forever spinning electrons in a super conducting magnet have energy.

In the case of the super conducting magnet, the energy came from the EMF source that caused the current / electrons to flow, which was in the end result, the sun.

Likewise the energy that creates the magnets magnetic field comes from the sun.

So a magnet motor would be powered by the Sun and there is no overunity, just a VERY LONG TIME between the energy being stored in the 4 unpaired shell 3d spinning Iron atom electrons and it being used.

Thus the search for a magnet motor is not outside science at all. In fact it is research at the heart of what makes atoms and electrons exist.

I suggest we need to move away from using the terms Over Unity and Perpetual Motion as they are totally incorrect terms and bring unnecessary ridicule to those who seek to tap the energy that was stored in the Iron atom a VERY LONG TIME AGO in the belly of our young sun.

IronShell3d

[HeairBear]

Interesting concept! What about the nucleus?

http://www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder8.pdf