Claimed OU circuit of Rosemary Ainslie

[MileHigh]

AC:

You may want to take a real good hard look in the mirror, I have never met a technical person as you claim to be act so immature and quite frankly I find your behaviour as an embarrassment to anyone who calls themselves a professional.

Yes I admit to a certain extent it is immature, and it stems from frustration.  However, the one thing that you chose to overlook is that what I am saying is TRUE.  It is TRUE, AC, deal with that fact.

I choose not to live in a PC straightjacket sometimes.

MileHigh

[Hoppy]

Quote Aaron, he has the DSO!!!  Fantastic!!

It looks like from the shot of the DSO display that it is telling him that the spike and ring-down are 6.76 microseconds wide.  From the scope display it is safe to say the the main spike that he is getting all excited about is less than 0.5 microseconds wide.  That's LESS THAN 500 NANOseconds.

Aaron, the spike IS INSIGNIFICANT, and what you are saying is the thing that is truly laughable.

Honestly this all gets me depressed to the extent of my limited emotional involvement in this project.

I just can't see Aaron getting his act together.  He has been told over and over that a spike going back to the battery that has a very narrow pulse width will contain only a very small and insignificant amount of energy.  He has also been told repeatedly that the original source for the spike energy is in fact the battery.

In a way, it is unbelievable.  Aaron is not in the "real world" when he is working with circuits on the bench, he has his own reality.  It's truly a shame considering what a nice piece of high technology that DSO is.

MileHigh

MH

You say: "I just can't see Aaron getting his act together.  He has been told over and over that a spike going back to the battery that has a very narrow pulse width will contain only a very small and insignificant amount of energy.  He has also been told repeatedly that the original source for the spike energy is in fact the battery."

I agree with you and I think even Aaron will agree that the spike has miniscule power in EE terms. However, as I'm sure you know, the 'spike' to Aaron, John Bedini and others has extra special significance, in that they claim the spike acts as a trigger mechanism for battery self-charging in the right conditions. It is pointless trying to argue this point, as it is a fundamental belief based on an esoteric 'New Age' theory.

Hoppy

[allcanadian]

@Hoppy
Quote:
"I agree with you and I think even Aaron will agree that the spike has miniscule power in EE terms. However, as I'm sure you know, the 'spike' to Aaron, John Bedini and others has extra special significance, in that they claim the spike acts as a trigger mechanism for battery self-charging in the right conditions. It is pointless trying to argue this point, as it is a fundamental belief based on an esoteric 'New Age' theory."

LOL, this statement----"I agree with you and I think even Aaron will agree that the spike has miniscule power in EE terms", tells me how little you and MH actually understand of Electrical Engineering. If fact the spike is an called an "inductive discharge" which is EQUAL to the power required to charge the inductance at resonance. The power in equals the power out minus ohmic losses--- this is resonance, Power is Volt-Amps or Watts. While the inductive discharge is at a higher voltage and a lower amperage the power is almost equal to the power input in Watts at resonance. So how exactly can the POWER in the inductive discharge or "spike" be miniscule when in fact it is nearly equal to the power input? Is this one of YOUR new age theories, because it violates the conservation of energy, energy cannot just dissappear?
AC

[WilbyInebriated]

WI,

Why are you here?

It's obvious you are no dummy, and I apologize for calling you the "R" word.

But why are you being so antagonistic? Have you nothing positive to contribute rather than bantering on about details that have no real bearing on things?

OK, so TK has made some mistakes, I have made some mistakes, MH has made some mistakes, Harvey has made some mistakes, Hoppy...etc. We've all made some mistakes, and most have admitted them. Have you not made any mistakes?

Let's move on from the antagonistic banter as your points have been duly noted.

What is your take on Aaron's Test Spreadsheet? What's your take on RMS measurements at the load, and DC measurements at the shunt?

Cheers,
.99

p9

to make sure the dancing bear follows decent scientific procedure, as he has demonstrated he is incapable of doing so without someone riding his ass (supervising). why are you here? did you just show up like a good like sycophant to make sure the thread is completely biased? or do you have a shred of integrity?

obviously. mea culpa accepted.

for the same reason(s) tk is...  and i have noted the bearing that my argument has (tk's lack of credibility, etc.)

yup, yup, yup, yup, yup. maybe.

let's not, as tk has continued to try twist what he has really said, thereby demonstrating that he is still refusing to admit his error(s) again and again. why don't you work on getting that public apology from him?

i have been very careful to not take a stance one way or the other, and you think you are going to get me to now? because you offer a little sugar after your vinegar assault? LMFAO, nice try. my "take" is not open for criticism, tk's is. why don't you try on a little integrity poynt? why aren't you asking tk to reconcile these contradictions he has posted? are you a blind little sycophant too? i really didn't think you were, but now i'm starting to wonder.

can you show his post where he "predicted by..."?  didn't think so. but you don't call him on that bullshit, why?


edit: poynt, you could always try simulating my behavior to figure it out...

[Harvey]

TK, if you do decide to build an Ainslie Circuit, you may wish to review my proposed changes. IMHO, the .047 microfarad capacitor is problematic to the correct action of the timer and should be removed. Also, the discharge (pin 7) should be moved to the resistor/anode junction of the charge leg to prevent 'burn spots' in the pot and possible chip failure. Then the 5.2K can be removed, allowing a much tighter pulse width. I have recommended elsewhere that a Schmitt Trigger like the CD40106 (15V operation) be used between the timer and the gate to ensure sharp rise times.

I would also like to encourage some discussion here regarding the split supply and the effect this could have to negative gate current. The Drain to Gate capacitance will look like a dead short at certain frequencies and energy will pass directly through that path from the higher 24V supply to the negative rail through the output transistor in the 555. Because that current must flow in the substrate of the chip for some of the path, it could alter the trigger bias - especially if the ground wire for the chip has any contact resistance etc. This scenario can result in spurious re-triggering of the 555 and may be part of the aperiodic results some have experienced.