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Mass can not slow time.

Started by brian334, June 25, 2009, 04:35:23 PM

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d3adp00l

Space is time, space is created from "time" vibrating.

Time doesn't need length, width, or height to exist, but L,W,H all need time to exist.

Personally I wouldn't worry about bending anything, just figure out how to get to a high enough energy state that one of the dimensions drops out of existance. Then mass goes to zero (a plane has no mass) and you can go as fast as you want with almost no energy.

Also with no mass as a plane, going through a star, planet, or blackhole is not an issue, so long as you don't de-energize while there.

I am not saying its possible, but this is what I see of the system.
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Quote from: BEP on June 28, 2009, 07:58:00 PM
The measurement of time between events is a human thing...
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Now -that's- an interesting point.

So, then, can we take 'time' to be a measure of 'memory'? Regardless of the occurrence of events, is it our -memory- of event-occurrences that we are measuring and thus attempting to define  through the species-wide use of artificial time-standards?

If we had no memory, would we not find ourselves in a perpetual 'present'?

Of course, that would render us somewhat restricted as lifeforms, if we couldn't retain any memories we couldn't learn and could only exist in an environment to which we were highly specialized.

Do we, then, impose our own species-defined extrapolation of 'time' to 'events' that may have or will in the future occur, in order to provide ourselves with a standardized frame of reference for these relationships?

If this is the case, it seems it is our 'perception' we are continually attempting to resolve rather than any causal external stimuli (which is, itself, based on that 'perception'). 
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brian334


d3adp00l

Let me elaborate a bit.

As a ship speeds up its energy state increases.

From an outsiders point of view the ship appears to get shorter (not longer like einstein says)

example stand on the side of the road and have a car drive past you at 10mph, it has an apparent length. have it drive past you at a 110mph, it appears in front of you for a short time, therefore it appears to be shorter.

Einstein said it gets longer, it only does this from a time constant point of view, in other words if your lowest time amount is one second, well the 110 MPH car appears to be longer than the 10MPH. But this is apparent from a point of view that is in line to the ships direction of travel.

from the side it appears shorter.

Now increase the speed to that of light, the transverse observer sees nothing, because its moving so fast that it went 2 dimensional. From a linear observer it would appear to exist for its entire ray length.

So as you increase your energy state you get shorter in a transverse reference, so the ship travels away, as it loses one of its dimensions, time slows down, which is why the tests nasa did seems to prove einstien right, at the speed of light time doesn';t exist. Its not the speed, but the energy state. Speed only exists when compared to something else. In the case of the ship its compared to the universe, specifically our planet.

At this moment we are traveling a great speeds on this planet, is our time different than someone else on a planet traveling away from us?

lets say that two observers one on earth and one on mars, a ship leaves earth and heads at great speed to mars, the observers have watches that were in time exactly, tell me compared to the ships clock, what do the observers clocks show?

Well nasa did a test with a ship and found the ships time slowed, well in our case the mars and earth clock would have to still be the same, and if the ships clock slowed, then it had nothing to do with speed, it had to do with energy state.

This doesn't mean that if you go fast than light than time will reverse.

The only way that would be possible, is if light traveled instantly.

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Or ignorance, or lust for power have
destroyed knowledge of immeasurable
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WE must not let it happen again.
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Quote from: brian334 on June 25, 2009, 04:35:23 PM
There is no connection between mass and time.

The corrections of general relativity to the atomic clocks of GPS permit to get a daily accuracy of the order of meters instead of the order of hundreds of meters. General relativity works thus time depends on gravity. As mass creates gravity, time depends on mass.