Circumventing the Lentz law

[hartiberlin]

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http://www3.sympatico.ca/slavek.krepelka/ttf2/fields8.htm

Hi Ron,

Indeed,

Fig 1 has both, blue and red plate equal fingered with fingers aligned
square opposite each other. That is the rotor. The snake has to be
retained by what would be the housing as stator. To get the flux across
the tips of the fingers, you have to have:

1) At least twice the distance between the plates everywhere except the
tips of the fingers, which ideally means that the bar magnet in the
center has to be at least twice as long as is the distance between the
fingertips.

2) The plates better be fairly heavy, something like 5/16" plate or
heavier on the scale of a car alternator. But this depends on the
strength of your permanent magnet and I do not have the technical
expertise to give you some good numbers. I over design, when I do my
experimenting.

I can only recommend you to take apart some busted car alternator, have
a good look at its ratios of materials and go from there.

Fig 2

has only one rotating plate, the red. The reason is, that if you rotate
fingers against a flat plate, you still get the magnetic flux across the
gap only where the finger tips are the nearest to the plate, as long as
they are not saturated.

If you are attempting to build a home generator, you have to take into
consideration the frequency. This means that you have to see what would
be the RPMs of the source motor and design the coil arrangement, i.e.
the quantity of coils at their function per circle. My former patent
application may show you that there are two ways to handle the polarity
frequency in alternators. One is to alternate the induction back and
forth across each coil, which gives you a full alternation per coil and
which is the standard way of doing it. My design as I have concocted it
on my brush less alternator (see patents) actually alternates only
across each coil, but not between the coils, so it gives 1 alternation
per 2 coils.

This depends on how you wind the coils.

You can go around this nowadays by rectifying the output current to DC
and using an inverter to produce exactly what you want in AC, Volts and
frequency, but it is somewhat costly.

You should also understand that unless you have a fairly constant
frequency power source for an AC motor powered from the utilities, you
need to somehow achieve constant RPMs on your drive motor. This may
require to either use a small combustion engine with a constant speed
governor (an airplane model motor might do), or use a DC motor with
constant RPMs at whatever specified input voltage, which you can
regulate by a resistor.

My kind regards, Slavek

iron1of1 wrote:
>
> Hello Slavek,
>
> I am not clear on a couple of points...
> Are the blue and red plates equally fingered?
> Do the fingers line directly across from each other?
> The two plates rotate but not the 'snake'?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ron
>

[Clara Listensprechen]

Seems to me that some kind of feedback thru a bucking coil should limit RPMs from being too fast, maybe also workas a booster should RPMs be too slow.  Need some sort of closed loop feedback controller there.

[penguin hood]

I did read the "Field 8" document from Slavek Krepelka and the two patents mentioned there.
The authors from both two patents, have builded prototypes that generate electricity without the counter torque from the electric load. Both two patents are a demostration that the Lenz's Law can be circumvented. However any author does reference to overunity but there are something different and therefore interesting, never the electromagnetism theory talks about the Lenz's Law as an unwanted and avoidable effect.
In the first patent shows only measurements from output electric power but not the input mechanic power, then the COP is unknown.
From second patent the author says that (at least I understood so): from electric power generated by an ideal (to simplicity) conventional generator, the 50% of power flows to the load while another 50% is useless power by Lenz's effect, then COP = 0.5 (or COP < 0.5 on a real generator). Again in ideal terms, the invention circumvent Lenz then COP = 1 (or COP tend to unity on a real generator so builded).

Then two propositions:
-If the Lenz's Law is one consequence of the Principle of Conservation of Energy then that prototypes are overunity.
-But if Lenz's Law is unrelated to the Principle of Conservation of Energy then the principle still is valid and only the efficiency is better by eliminate an unwanted effect.

[Liberty]

Why not consider using a differently wound coil for power generation (in a standard alternator).  Instead of using a coil that is wound one layer at a time over another horizontally; wouldn't a coil that is stacked vertically (rather than horizontally) provide less of an electromagnet drag as power is drawn from the coil?  In a standard alternator, the coil is aimed directly at the magnet source.  So when the opposing magnetic field is formed when current is used from the coil, it creates an opposing magnetic field that is directly aimed the source, creating more drag.  With a coil that is verically stacked, the electromagnet that is formed when current is drawn from the coil is 'aimed away' (vertically) from the magnet source for the most part.  Here is a picture of a Tesla style coil that is vertically stacked and may be a better choice for power generation to avoid the counter drag normally associated with an alternator or generator.

[Liberty]

A way to use Lentz's Law to our advantage???