Earth Electrical Energy Datalogging Experiments

[Pirate88179]

Oscar:

what do you mean there "can't" be current flowing underground?  What is it then that lights my 400 leds and my 48" tubes from my 2 electrodes if it is not current?  What is your theory?

Bill

[oscar]

Hi Pirate88179

... what do you mean there "can't" be current flowing underground?  ...

thanks for asking.

here is what I proved to myself:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7769.msg193504#msg193504

And I would explain it like this:
Yes, current is obviously flowing from one EB-electrode to the other, through a wire above ground once the two electrodes are connected. The current flows through that wire to power a load hooked in, (in series).

But yet I think: no current is flowing underground, between the two electrodes . In fact if a current would flow underground between the two EB-electrodes, they would be quasi short circuited, which would make the whole setup useless for our purpose, as any galvanic connection under ground would diminish the usefully voltage we can measure between the electrodes.

I look at an EB or EER setup under load as a "non-closed electrical circuit" since there is no electrical connection under ground - in my view - especially when the ground is dry. And that's why I would like sm0ky2 to confirm, that it works with electrodes that are electrically insulated from the surrounding soil.
We already know, that it works best with dry ground, which is similar to insulated electrodes.

My explanation for this phenomenon goes like this:
The two dissimilar metals are under the influence of the earth magnetic field.
And we know that "every thing" gets excited into a (super fast) oscillation with a specific frequency (plus harmonics) when that thing is exposed to a magnetic field. The frequency of oscillation of the excited thing is very particular and distinct for each material and also for each metal.
This distinc freq is called the material's NMR (nuclear magnetic resonance) frequency.

Now, if two different metals are tightly embedded in a non-compressible material, and are continuously excited by the earth magnetic field, such as two EB-electrodes in dry soil, both metals oscillate with different frequencies. "Oscillating" is like making a sound, with waves being emitted from the source of that sound.
So the continuously emitted oscillations/waves of each electrode get transmitted under, through and by ground, and shortly afterwards hit the other electrode.
If there were nothing in between to propagate the waves, each electrode would oscillate unhindered, but in our case there is a medium (ground) in between the two electrodes, transmitting the oscillations and consequently each electrode gets in fact hindered, as it is impacted by the "strange" incoming oscillations  from the other (having a different frequency from its own).
This creates a "tension" (= old word for voltage) in each electrode. Once the electrodes get connected by a wire and a load, this tension can get released (relaxed) by what we call "current" "flowing off" through the wire.

To me it seems important that the tension is the result of an interaction - i.e. an electrode's own oscillation being interfered with by the incoming oscillation emitted by the other electrode.

Ok.
Would just like to add, that I understand that the above may seem far fetched. But the problem in communicating is, that in order to achieve an understanding with somebody else, a way needs to be found to relate the newly observed causes and effects (which we do not understand up till now) to something similar we already know.
I at least, can not achieve understanding otherwise.
I am sure other, probably better explanations or images can be found for what is happening.
And I myself can package the above into different words. Such as ".... no current flowing underground but the electrostatic field caused by the oscillation of each electrode propagates through the insulator (dry earth) to impact the other electrode ...

Right.
Now how does the above go together with the fact that Nathan Stubblefield in his battery patent US600457 calls for water or moist soil to surround his Fe-Cu parallel wound primary coil?

Well, he states that the copper wire must be insulated and the iron "may also be insulated without destroying the operativeness of the battery" (quote from the patent).
So I think we should conclude that the water or moist soil are not used as "galvanic electrolytes" such as in an electrochemical cell (car battery), but rather as a dense, incompressible medium in tight physical contact with the electrodes that propagates the oscillations as described above.

Thanks to all of you who share their findings.

[IotaYodi]

There is an electromotive force,voltage,pushing current of some type and standard volt meters pick it up. You could call the current the flow of dog biscuits if you wanted to. They still energize standard electrical devices. My money is still on electron or ion flow. I see a greater electric potential difference in the earth than the air. You can take your Anode out of the ground and hold it in your hand and meter to the Negative rod and the voltage will drop. Anything that moves in a magnetic field creates some type of electric field even if its only at the atomic level.. A flowing electric current creates a magnetic field. Maybe we should do some gauss readings to see how strong the field is.

[IotaYodi]

To me it seems important that the tension is the result of an interaction - i.e. an electrode's own oscillation being interfered with by the incoming oscillation which are emitted by the other electrode.

Just read your post. The tension is the cause of the flow. The differing  oscillations would be the two potentials that are not in equilibrium creating the flow of current. But its still a flow of current.

[DreamThinkBuild]

Has anyone tried charging a Earth Battery?

I just hooked the EB for two hours on a 15watt, 23v solar panel. My initial readings were 45u amps and 901mv. After two hours charging the readings were 254u amps and 1.29volts. I'll keep it charging and will check back around 5:00 to see what the readings are.