The self-filling siphon, and why can't it be done?

[Nabo00o]

Unlimited power in other words....
This is one of the things that I have been searching for a lot, if it in fact could be possible.
It is of course something quite different from the siphoning process, which only requires an asymmetrical relationship of its masses. However I think both methods should be covered in this tread, and then we could see which could be most the most practical, giving the most water at the lowest cost.

What I had envisioned in order to create practical power when needed was to fill small dam or a container with the water pumped, allowing much larger amounts of power to be used when needed.
This is of course the big problem about solar as well as wind energy. If you want a reliable source of energy  then you need a huge battery bank (which is REALLY expensive), while in this case we can easily and efficiently pump water into a container at a certain height, and it doesn't need to cost that much either.


So why do you think the Russian method worked? Could it be because the momentum of the already moving water pushed it through its last passage through the surface-tension border? Maybe you need a special material or at least a specially designed structure?

Naboo

[onthecuttingedge2005]

So why do you think the Russian method worked? Could it be because the momentum of the already moving water pushed it through its last passage through the surface-tension border? Maybe you need a special material or at least a specially designed structure?

Naboo

you might have a correct assumsion there about the river pressure inflow helping the water push out.

there may be substances/particles that can help break water tension at its surface but I would have to do some research because I don't have an answer yet.

magnetohydrodynamics comes to mind but even that is a passing thought.

Jerry

[craZy]

Does it matter if more of the hose is on one side than on the other of the highest point? This could mean that you simply need more hose on the drain side to increase its effect.

Naboo
[/quote]yes i believe that a longer hose may increase flow, but i dont have a longer hose at the moment to prove it

[drspark]

http://drspark.com/idea001.php

[drspark]

Group,

The container must be sealed so there is no evaperation or very very little.

I could not get mine to drip. BUT a droplet would form at the bottom of the
wick and hang there. My cap-tube was not tiny enough to raise the alcohol
far enough, for the alcohol on the wick to become heavy enough, to break the
surface tension. What i did was raise the lower surface until the droplet as
it was forming contacted it and it oscillated like that for years. Sitting on a
window sill and the disturbance was reflected on the wall or ceiling.

The droplet would form, grow, make contact drain away repeat...

it slowly evaporated thru the unsealed lid and staopped after a few years..