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Overunity Machines Forum



Thane Heins BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER

Started by shimondoodkin, July 24, 2009, 11:33:44 PM

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allcanadian

@Crankypants
QuoteThe winding is made of two separate wires wound in opposing directions along an insulating form and connected in parallel at the ends. Since there are the same number of turns of wire in either direction, the magnetic fields of the two wires cancel each other out, so the coil has little inductance.

THIS IS ANALOGOS TO TWO IDENTICAL TWINS IN A ROWBOAT - EACH PADLING IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS WITH EQUAL FORCE. THE NET EFFECT IS ZERO MOVEMENT BUT THE FORCES ARE STILL PRESENT.

I like your analogies however I do not think anyone here has yet to grasp what your talking about in your posts which is really a shame. I have been working along similar lines in developing various generators and hybrid drive systems. I guess part of the reason I made this post here is that I use the same rowboat analogy,lol, and I find it kind of amazing how simple mechanical analogies can bring a great deal of understanding to what appears to be complex problems which usually turn out to be simple problems. One of my favorites is the reactive mass problem---
I am in a rowboat and I throw a bowling ball out of the back of the rowboat which is equal in mass to myself and the rowboat, I accelerate forward at the same rate as the bowling ball accelerates backwards, the momentum is split. As well we can throw the bowling ball over the back of the boat at a higher velocity but really we just end up throwing the ball "away" at a faster rate and the ball has energy intrinsic to it's velocity. Now some might say this action/reaction is the total energy of the system but of course this is a false assumption because I could just as easily throw the ball backwards into the back of another boat and we both move in opposite directions or if I throw the ball backwards very fast which then hits a trampoline attached to a second boat imparting a force and then it bounces the ball forward and it lands back in my boat which is the same boat it initially left. If my boat moving forwards is the total reaction to the bowling ball leaving my boat backwards then how in the hell can the ball end up back in my boat?, lol.
Here is another brain twister, I am in a rocket in orbit and I want to go to the moon so I fire a bowling ball out of the back at great speed and I move forward towards the moon due to the "reaction" which is basically how a rocket works. Now if the bowling ball was fired towards the earth and was accelerated due to the "slingshot" effect of earths gravity, made one half orbit and accelerated back towards me in my rocket and struck the back of my rocket then what is the "total" reaction force? You see everything goes to hell in a handbasket when "open" systems are considered and that these systems may impart there own forces. As well, all of these analogies have electrical equivalents which are by no means apparent or intuitive but none the less relevant.

@All
I think it's just great that the many critics here like to drag the textbook understanding of science into the debate but I think they should understand that for almost every rule of science there are more than a few exceptions to the rule. My game is not to try to understand the rules, my game is to understand the rules to such an extent that I also understand the exceptions or limitations of the popular understanding of them and this is the area in which actual progess is made. This is the exact area Thane is exploring and it is not easy by any means, in fact it is very hard in that all the lines many have drawn in the sand become blurred to such an extent that in some cases they no longer exist.

P.S.-- Thane, I was also wondering, are these twins in your rowboat analogy blonde by any chance?

Best Regards
AC
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teslaalset

Quote from: Vortex1 on October 26, 2010, 09:33:08 PM
Dear Mr. Chet

So that I may educate myself and come up to speed on this technology, do you have a copy of that test lab report, or could you post it?

Thank you in advance.

FYI, there is some test data in the patent as well.
Have a look at page 1, reply #4. There is a link to the patent.

broli

Thane I mentioned using less turns and more current to up the power scale. Would I be successful if I did this, considering the amount of flux is kept the same.

SchubertReijiMaigo

@ Thane:
QuoteThe winding is made of two separate wires wound in opposing directions along an insulating form and connected in parallel at the ends. Since there are the same number of turns of wire in either direction, the magnetic fields of the two wires cancel each other out, so the coil has little inductance.

You mean the flux cancel each others in the outer core so you have a little variation of B, if this is true you have a big problem here why ?
Once again most of magnetics material are highly non linear, if you look some B/H curves in page 9/11 etc... you can notice when a magnetic material is little magnetized you have a very little permeability (and high reluctance) !!! Excatly when you drive cores nearly saturation. Relative permeability is not permeablity... You can have undesirable coupling with your Core2 and Core1... You lose in efficiency. I'am a bit worried when you drive Core1 into saturation this is maybe to have a very little permeability also. The big problem is when you drive Core nearly or in saturation you have a lot of current flowing in the coil, the wires heat and you can burn the source...
If we must to drive Core1 into saturation to obtain Heins effect, I 'am sorry but your device is not suitable for power application, it's too dangerous, even conventional Trafos can burn or overload.

QuoteTHIS IS ANALOGOS TO TWO IDENTICAL TWINS IN A ROWBOAT - EACH PADLING IN OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS WITH EQUAL FORCE. THE NET EFFECT IS ZERO MOVEMENT BUT THE FORCES ARE STILL PRESENT.

This is like the "exotic" theory about the "scalar waves" produced by opposite bifilars windings or caduceus coils... in theory you have zero inductive fields and only the DC resistance, but you have a lot of scalar waves, this waves is like your analogy, they works against together but they have a lot energy inside them, The ZPE is similar, he have a lot of energy but remain static with a net effect zero.

CRANKYpants

Quote from: allcanadian on October 27, 2010, 12:34:03 AM
@Crankypants
I like your analogies however I do not think anyone here has yet to grasp what your talking about in your posts which is really a shame.

MANY DO ACTUALLY!  ;)
BUT SOME ARE STILL UP THE CREEK WITHOUT A PADDLE.  :P

QuoteP.S.-- Thane, I was also wondering, are these twins in your rowboat analogy blonde by any chance?
Best Regards
AC

SADLY NO...
Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss, 29-year-old twins, rowed at the last Olympics
The brothers were portrayed in the current box-office smash 'The Social Network'
They settled a lawsuit over Facebook for $65 million but are currently appealing it.

BUT THERE IS STILL HOPE FOR "ALL CANADIANS"...  :D