YourTube Extended Michelson-Morley Experiment

[BEP]

Before possible magnetic effects are discounted the magnets should be removed from the experiment and the polar orientation changed in the experiment. I know this is hard to believe but there is a difference between the two fields. That discussion is for another thread.

Distortion by gravity is a valid thought. Distortion by several microns is indeed possible. This would occur where it is shown.

This is a consideration in fine laser alignment of precision machinery.

I withdraw the above comments...

Preliminary attempts at replication discount common magnetic fields as a possible reason for the shift.
The original M-M experiment was reported as a null result in most texts. I found this to be untrue. There was a shift. It just wasn't the direction or amount expected. Most later commentary concludes the amount was outside the margin for error.

I must do better experiments but I am convinced this gentleman is correct.

BEP

P.S. Einsteinian worshiper flames will be ignored.

[sm0ky2]

photons ride on the propegation of their own magnetic field.
this is why light is not affected by the magnetic field in most situations. the field surrounding the photon deflects external magnetic fields from interfering with the photon itself.

the observations in this video are likely to come from two sources.

the first being the possible movement of the equipment on their mounts.

the second being the measurable effects of gravity on the travel of light. - something which is not easily percievable in einsteinian experiments, but becomes readily visible when examining the effects on the interference patterns, or in photon-scattering experiments done with and without the presence of a gravitational field.

further testing would be required to rule out the movement of the equipment in this video.

[BEP]

photons ride on the propegation of their own magnetic field.
this is why light is not affected by the magnetic field in most situations. the field surrounding the photon deflects external magnetic fields from interfering with the photon itself.

the observations in this video are likely to come from two sources.

the first being the possible movement of the equipment on their mounts.

the second being the measurable effects of gravity on the travel of light. - something which is not easily percievable in einsteinian experiments, but becomes readily visible when examining the effects on the interference patterns, or in photon-scattering experiments done with and without the presence of a gravitational field.

further testing would be required to rule out the movement of the equipment in this video.

All may be true but I have less than five microns deflection in my setup for the horizontal axis or points radial from it. Even when that is considered the pattern shift is extreme and the wrong direction. When locked-down (the machine I used has the ability to lock all axis) the shift slowly increases until midnight and decreases until noon.

Like I said... I need better experiments. If I am correct these shift distances will change with orientation to the Earth's rotational axis. Who knows? Maybe even moon orbital position?

The first test was rotation around a vertical axis. I found no measurable shift.... until I locked it down and walked away for dinner. 2 hours locked resulted in a measurable shift.

In any case.... all must be repeated on a calibrated granite slab in a controlled environment to be conclusive.

I still don't see any of this as proof of aether but I do want to know what proof I'm seeing.

[BEP]

It seems my growing suspicions about the effects shown by Martin have exceeded the 'suspicion' stage for others long before me....

http://www.biochem.szote.u-szeged.hu/astrojan/munera.pdf

Martin,

Your expansion of the experiment is still unique.

If torsion by gravity was the cause there would be two angles, relative to the horizon, where we would see a shift reversal.

I think the scientific community should stop floating blocks of granite in mercury and start rotating the table about an horizontal axis.

I think M & M were wrong in what they expected. They were Earth-centric when they should have considered much more.

So 'space' is either leading or lagging mass by 45 degrees? My continued thoughts on this are much deeper and even more Einstein heretical so I'll stop here 

[MileHigh]

Zerotensor is fundamentally right about this one, but I am not so sure about his calculations.

The slab of aluminum deforms as the apparatus rotates vertically due to varying stresses on the frame because of the changing gravity field relative to the apparatus.  When the apparatus rotates horizontally the gravity field is constant and therefore the stresses on the frame are constant.

It is outrageous that the German experimenter didn't think of this and it makes his experiment pure junk science.  It is equally outrageous that he built this apparatus with such a huge flaw:  He did not take into account that the slab of aluminum that forms the miniature optical table would deform due to mechanical stress.

Here is a posting on his YouTube clip:

mrdualspace (5 days ago)

The evidence produced by this experiment is false. A fixed pattern of fringes is simply swept across the screen as the mirrors turn due to flexing of the frame. A true finding would show a changing of the spaces between the fringes, which doesn't happen.
I previously posted this and I see it's been removed.

Double junk science:  Comments that describe the humongous outrageous flaw in this experiment are being removed by the YouTube poster "Gruma09."

The author of this experiment should not be trusted as being able to generate credible data for any experiment that he does.  He built a junk apparatus and got junk results that he was not smart enough to interpret properly.  It is simply unacceptable.

MileHigh