Why I will take the swine flu vaccine

[onthecuttingedge2005]

is anybody here keeping up with all the clinical trials of the H1N1 vaccine?

1. http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00944073 583 trial patients.
2. http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/QA/vteuH1N1qa.htm
3. http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2009pres/09/20090911a.html
4. http://whsc.emory.edu/home/news/releases/2009/08/pediatric-h1n1-vaccine-clinical-trial.html#
5. http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/public/vaccination_qa_pub.htm
6. http://www.nih.gov/news/health/sep2009/niaid-09.htm
7. http://www.drugs.com/clinical_trials/sinovac-reports-top-line-preliminary-results-h1n1-vaccine-clinical-trials-7923.html
8. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090911133700.htm#
9. http://www.pharmaceutical-business-review.com/news/sinovac_unveils_update_on_clinical_trial_for_h1n1_vaccine_trials_090803
10. http://www.flu.gov/

do the hard research, there is lots of testing results already which I have supplied in the above links to confirm the vaccine is safe as any other flu shot. even though it may not be needed is up to you and your family to decide, the current vaccine has no signs of GB reaction like the live H1N1 vaccine of the 70's, the 2009 H1N1 vaccine is a dead virus. GB in cases of the 70's vaccine showed symptoms with in 3 days of injection. current volunteers of the H1N1 vaccine have been injected since August shows no alerting signs of GB reactions.

also, Congress has allowed the public to sue the pharmaceutical industry in cases of vaccine related fatalities and or handicaps involved with bad batches.

also, I think I would be more worried about Thimerosal rather than the dead virus but I must say that almost 'all' virus vaccines contain Thimerosal and there has been many millions of people who get the seasonal flu shot every year that contain Thimerosal.

Jerry

[exxcomm0n]

I think an appropriate response to reply #10 is most succinctly stated in a comment made to the story below since over 1/2 the sites above end in .gov :

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/history/world/1875-a-brief-history-of-government-immunizations

' "SURE YOU CAN TRUST THE GOVERNMENT" JUST ASK A NATIVE AMERICAN (or Canadian) INDIAN!!!!! '

The story has some nice quotes from health and vaccine professionals the world over.

[the_big_m_in_ok]

exxcomm0n said:

' "SURE YOU CAN TRUST THE GOVERNMENT" JUST ASK A NATIVE AMERICAN (or Canadian) INDIAN!!!!! '

At the risk of being potentially politically incorrect, whatever that is now:  As a Native American myself, I concur.  With sarcasm.      

I'm not getting a flu shot because I've lived through every flu epidemic since 1950 and never had the flu, even once.

Would the thread starter like to start a poll to ask, "Who would get a flu shot, especially a Swine Flu shot?"

--Lee

[onthecuttingedge2005]

I think an appropriate response to reply #10 is most succinctly stated in a comment made to the story below since over 1/2 the sites above end in .gov :

it is not the Government that is evil, it is the evil within the good people that make up the Government. people vote for bad apples because the rotten part is covered up by the skin of the fruit.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/history/world/1875-a-brief-history-of-government-immunizations

in the bottom paragraph of the article you have given I concure with 100%.

the problem is that "the people" are both good and evil and the Government is made of people. so naturally the Government contains corruption. but what about the good people of the Government, are they to be pasted with an evil label because they are apart of the system? is there more evil in this world than good?

' "SURE YOU CAN TRUST THE GOVERNMENT" JUST ASK A NATIVE AMERICAN (or Canadian) INDIAN!!!!! '

if you own a home with property here in the United States of America you can simply donate your property to the local native tribe that use to own it.

give your land back to the Indians and then tell them you are sorry and then move back to the lands from once your ancestors came from.

give back your land to the sovereign nation! I used to work for 2 different sovereign nations and there is corruption even there but not all is corrupt.

go to the Indians and tell them that you are sorry for what your ancestors did to them and give them everything you own made in America back to them. I bet you won't. same goes for Canada. if you don't then you are just as bad as your statement.

to add some more salt to the GREAT wound.
"SURE YOU CAN TRUST EXXCOMM0N)" JUST ASK A NATIVE AMERICAN (or Canadian) INDIAN!!!!!

To help it go down better, it's best to chew on it awhile before one swallows.

The story has some nice quotes from health and vaccine professionals the world over.

Like?

Jerry

[exxcomm0n]

it is not the Government that is evil, it is the evil within the good people that make up the Government. people vote for bad apples because the rotten part is covered up by the skin of the fruit.

K then, which "piece of fruit" have you voted for lately that had the best "skin of the fruit"? Lately, it's been more which rotten piece of fruit will sicken me the least if I eat it?
Voter turnout in the last 2 decades before this prior one seemed to point out that most don't like eating ANY rotten fruit.

in the bottom paragraph of the article you have given I concure with 100%.

the problem is that "the people" are both good and evil and the Government is made of people. so naturally the Government contains corruption. but what about the good people of the Government, are they to be pasted with an evil label because they are apart of the system? is there more evil in this world than good?

This does not jibe with your above statement "it is the evil within the good people that make up the Government...", and I find it nowhere in the article I cited in my post #10 that was:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/history/world/1875-a-brief-history-of-government-immunizations

I think you may have been looking at another tab in your browser, and not the one from this site.

When is evil to your fellow man appropriate or good? When has it ever been? Does it absolve the "good people that do evil things" that it is  what happens in gov't?

Does that work for priests accused of molestation too? Should I absolve the church that shuffled them around after complaints so they could do it again somewhere else and save themselves (the church) from embarrassment?

Evil is evil, good is good.
If there weren't a delineation between the the two words they wouldn't have diametrically opposed definitions and we wouldn't be able to use them to describe different things. This is the nature of language.

As to the "good" people, is it "good" for them to sit back and allow evil to be done to their fellow man that they are responsible for since that's what they are in office for and who elected them into the position where they could allow "evil" to be done through inaction?
Does that still allow them to be seen as "good"?

if you own a home with property here in the United States of America you can simply donate your property to the local native tribe that use to own it.

give your land back to the Indians and then tell them you are sorry and then move back to the lands from once your ancestors came from.

_I_ did nothing other than be the offspring of others that believed what the gov't and/or popular history told them. Does that they made bad, "or evil" decisions mean that I had a direct hand in it?
Do you count on your offspring to rectify the evil you may do and that makes it all right?

I cannot absolve those that came before me for their evils, I can only make sure that I do not make the same mistakes and TRY to teach my children to not make the same mistakes of my fore fathers.

give back your land to the sovereign nation! I used to work for 2 different sovereign nations and there is corruption even there but not all is corrupt.

go to the Indians and tell them that you are sorry for what your ancestors did to them and give them everything you own made in America back to them. I bet you won't. same goes for Canada. if you don't then you are just as bad as your statement.

It is if the corruption is allowed to stay hidden by the "good" people that could otherwise speak out.

Your argument seems to point to a completely erroneous belief that I am responsible for my fore fathers. How can I be? I wasn't here yet.
As to giving back anything made in America that I have, I think that most would be hard pressed to find a worthy amount of goods they own that didn't have "Made In China" on them these days.
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    The story has some nice quotes from health and vaccine professionals the world over.

Like?

You "read the story" as you evidenced above by supposedly quoting it. I suggest you use the link I reposted in this reply and see if they are the same.

If you cannot recognize the quotes from Jonas Salk, Dr. True Ott, and the 'WHO advisor (that) told the London Times in an article entitled "Smallpox vaccine ‘triggered Aids virus." ’, I do think you are confused as to the content of the site I posted.

Please try to read it again.