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angryScientist's Left and Right hand rules

Started by angryScientist, November 12, 2009, 01:39:07 PM

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Quote from: Grumpy on November 12, 2009, 09:06:28 PM
The other force.

The one that exist during the initial rise of the pulse.

Which pulse? I assumed two different pulses from two different sources. An electric field pulse from a source sitting in front of the electron and a magnetic pulse originating from some where underneath the electron.

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Grumpy

Quote from: angryScientist on November 12, 2009, 09:18:09 PM
Which pulse? I assumed two different pulses from two different sources. An electric field pulse from a source sitting in front of the electron and a magnetic pulse originating from some where underneath the electron.

When electricity is first applied to the wire, there is a force perpendicular to the wire that exists while the voltage is initially rising.  As I recall, this is attributed to polarization.   I'll dig up the reference later today.

What I'm getting at is: just like moving a wire through a magnetic field, or a magnet along a wire induces current (particle drift) in the wire, you can induce drift by applying this "force" perp to the conductor while apllying a magnetic field perp to both the force and the wire.

This brings up a question or two:

1. Why does drift keep occurring when you connect a wire across a battery? 

2. Can you "enhance" the drift by external means? 
It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
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angryScientist

Quote from: Grumpy on November 13, 2009, 08:15:06 AM
When electricity is first applied to the wire, there is a force perpendicular to the wire that exists while the voltage is initially rising.  As I recall, this is attributed to polarization.   I'll dig up the reference later today.

What I'm getting at is: just like moving a wire through a magnetic field, or a magnet along a wire induces current (particle drift) in the wire, you can induce drift by applying this "force" perp to the conductor while apllying a magnetic field perp to both the force and the wire.

This brings up a question or two:

1. Why does drift keep occurring when you connect a wire across a battery? 

2. Can you "enhance" the drift by external means?

The way I see it, current through a wire can be thought of in two ways. The simple way for dealing with DC calculations. There's a voltage across a wire along with resistance then current plus a magnetic field and a electric field. Doesn't matter what time it started, etc. Simple math.

Then there's AC. Time factor comes into play. The time it takes for electrons to get from one part of the wire to another becomes important. The behavior  of things (susceptibility, permittivity) the electrons pass next to becomes important. A everything seems to be affected by everything else. That's a lot to think about!

I saw the left hand rule for current up above. Gosh that's a nice looking picture. Thanks for it. I don't know though, I still get confused when thinking about current flow. It just backwards from how I like to think, in electron flow. Most people think electron flow and current flow are one and the same. Most times it's not a problem but sometimes it can lead two people to be very confused at each other.

Grumpy

Quote from: Grumpy on November 13, 2009, 08:15:06 AM
This brings up a question or two:

1. Why does drift keep occurring when you connect a wire across a battery? 

2. Can you "enhance" the drift by external means?

?
It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
                                                                                                                                    -Frank Edwards