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Water pressure potential

Started by drakcore, November 13, 2009, 06:57:10 AM

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drakcore

Hello everyone, it has been awhile since I've posted anything on this site so it's time for me to start adding my input.  :D

Below is a simple idea I was thinking of awhile back now.
Don't know if it is possible or not, so people don't hold back and poke away at it.

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Concept

1. A water tank of preference of size depending on scale / amount of energy you want, such as 10KL (10 000 liters).
1.a The water tank will have a hole at the top(above max water level) to allow pressure to equalize to outside pressure.(can't close the water loop or gravity potential will be lost)

2. A pipe is connected to the base of the tank which is connected to a generator(variable amount all connected in series) powered by water flow/pressure.
2.a All the piping from the tank and the generators need to be below the tank or gravity energy we trying to harness will be non-existent.
2.b The amount of generators you use will depend on the pressure you get from your water tank.

3. A water pump will be added after the last generator to pump the water back into the tank.
3.a The pipe from the pump which leads back to the tank must not be submerged in the water within the tank (don't close the water loop/ above water level).

Calculation / Awareness

1. The size of tank depends on how much energy you want / force / water pressure / amount of generators / electricity wanted.
1.a Allot more energy is needed to start the system to get the water flow going / generators rpm to optimal, then less energy is needed to maintain the flow. (possible pulsing to the pump)

2. The last generator or water pump at the end of series must have the water pressure coming into it almost 0 / zero  (this is the point where you have used the full potential of water pressure you are harnessing from your tank).

3. The pipe from the pump going into the tank must not be submerged (closes the water loop which in turn you lose the energy you are trying to harness from gravity).

*NB. All the piping from the tank through the generators / pump to the tank need to be as short as possible or you are wasting potential energy. (think of copper wire)

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truth

Which device will be the overunity one? The generator or the pump?

Due to the parodox it takes the same peressure to lift the water as you obtain by letting it fall.

simple math
water pressure at base of tank = 1
pressure required to lift water into tank =1
Friction loss  = greater than 0

net result negative greater than 0

onthecuttingedge2005

just to help with a solution to using water or other liquids as a gravity type motor.

ResinRat2

Research is the only place in a company where you can continually have failures and still keep your job.

I knew immediately that was where I belonged.

onthecuttingedge2005

it may also be possible to just unbalance the pipette so when it starts to become top heavy the bottom of the pipette will rise above the water surface and the change in air pressure will allow the water to just leak out the bottom which causes the pipette to repeat the cycle.

by using a mass of capillary tube bundles you might be able to increase the torque at the pivot point to do some useful work.

water weighs in at 8.3454 pounds per U.S. gallon, so if you have a gallon of water difference in the top heavy portion of a mass pipette bundle then you could start to achieve some potential for doing a little work with some torque value.

it would probably be better to use Mercury, Mercury is actually the best for liquid gravity motors.

Liquid gravity motors have a greater advantage than solid gravity motors and that is liquid gravity motors work.