Second Stage Joule Thief Circuits

[innovation_station]

besides

all the things i have come up with ...  is nothing less than a COLLECTIVE EFFORD HERE AT OVERUNITY.COM!

i simply combined alls work into a super simple unit ...   

anyone could have done this ...   



w814

[jadaro2600]

@jarado
    hi . My point on the jt was to show that a NORMAL jt can Charge an ultraboostcap to over unity . Now you dont Have to use my circuit to charge one . My output on the standard JT after one diode @THE cCE JUNCTION is 14 volts @ 5.6ma . this can be made 100% better using bigger toroids better transistors and better tuning . I have not even had the interest to unpack my 200mzh digital storage scope because I'm too busy experimenting . I could care less you know what the "theory is . My point in saying OU . is the fact that we can start with a small AA battery and  Store very large amounts of energy that can be released SSSllloooooly Unlike a regular capacitor that just throw all its energy out in a second . i have run JTs and light for weeks off a charge  boostcap you cant do that with an electrolytic cap. how can anyone disagree that anY amount of power above the initial power source is NOT OU ? . . .

I think we're banging the same drum.   I believe your intention is to run the circuit with a boostcap and charge a boostcap.  ( I share this sentiment, and it will most definitely prove your point )  If this is wrong, then perhaps it's just a fleeting thought and I should be corrected.

If at all possible, with my limited resources, I have attempted to replicate the circuit without the ultracaps, and I can see that this is being dissuaded, as it seems to be the modus operandi/crux of the circuit to use one - even though you want to discharge the cap slowly.

One of the peculiarities of these particular capacitors it they bleed over time - in the specifications it is noted to bleed 1.5ma - considering the low usage of milliamps from the circuit, this can be quite 'expensive'.

MY intentions on the test are a parallel but not necessarily a complement. on a Boostcap/ultracap to Boostcap/ultracap attempt, the idea is to use two like sources to charge and discharge - which is what I've done with rechargeable batteries instead.

Due to their peculiarities as batteries they seems to have greater tolerance for voltage spikes.  This is something I worry about in high end ultracaps as voltage spikes can damage the dielectric and make them more prone to bleeding.

Despite these differences, I've shown, with minimal data that your circuit does seem to perform as stated.  On the other hand, the math discussed here is also correct with regard to how much the ultracap is capable of holding vs how much is in a battery.  Due to the convoluted nature of batteries, I've chosen to stick with them, not because they're convoluted, but because that's all that I've got.

In the experiment that I performed, my source battery drained 0.012v and the charged battery gained 0.109v which was indeed disproportional!  This is how I confirm the 'Theory' of it's operation.  Over a period of 45 minutes, the battery charged, reached its peak operating voltage, and then came back to rest from 1.271v to 1.091v from its initial state of 0.988v.

Please don't let the tone of my postings confuse you.  I am not against this.

I'm going to make a few comments about the circuit posted in the official entry; If any of my claims are incorrect, please make some indication.

*edit ... This may be a shorter brain fart than warranted...( this is off topic from the post, so, I removed the tail end of this post and placed it int the common joule thief thread ).

[jeanna]

You say that, but there's far more details required than a circuit drawing. We're talking about pulses that contain high frequency components where even the slightest difference can make a noticeable change.
Paul

Hi Paul,
Yes. This is a good observation.
Frequency varies from set to set.
but once a set of components is matched, it doesn't vary.

As it seems to me:
Each toroid will have an optimum range of frequency
Each transistor will respond differently from another... even another with the same name.
The number of winds on the primary bifilar that make it ring will be different from toroid to toroid.
The upshot of all this is that you must tune your joule thief.

I have toroids that I buy by the 20's and they are all fine with a certain number of winds and transistor, however, certain individual transistors will perform better than others.

Therefore, when I get a matched set, I bag it before I move on to a new experiment.

This way, on a day when I feel like building something, I just need to grab the bagged set.

jeanna

[innovation_station]

well j

look me up ...  300 years from now when there able to handle and respect ..

things like a jt powering neo zap going nano peizeo .. 

ill gladly help ya ..

w814

once they candle this ill teach transmitting and recieving sclar ...

or one could say Q comm

btw all are welcome to add to the real truth ...   baby steps tho .... 

1000 lives has made me colder ...  but that is what teaches you what LOVE IS!

fact....... right now the world only knows what love isint!  thats a fact!  look around you ...... 

you ignored love indoulged in hate ... hence wars .. past events and such ... basically ignored mother nature.. ..its ok its a silly you.... common human mistake that happins over and over .. and over ...  EXACTALLY HOW MY MACHINE WORKS...    a cycle that repets ...

same thing with earth ... you graduate ... and a new culture is born...  get it .. 

you dont graduate ... it turns into an astroide belt ....  look at the remains of the past one ...

[gadgetmall]

IST .
That big ring of yours . Look kind like this one
Can we say Second stage now Mk1
wonder what 11 turns on this will bring .MUhhahaha

compared to a goldmine ,jeanna light core,and the biggest freakin  core i have ever had  140mm
Yes this is a free sample i got tonight . cost 19.00 us shipping

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