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Joule Thief 101

Started by resonanceman, November 22, 2009, 10:18:06 PM

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Magluvin

Quote from: tinman on March 10, 2016, 11:53:33 PM
Your continual insistance of everyone being wrong, while you have provided nothing in the way of answers, is now considered as nothing but unfounded babble.

As you offer no counter argument, that is backed up with proof, you are seen to be no better than those that also try to peddle free energy devices for self gain.

You are a phoney MH--thats all you are, and not worthy of anymore of my time.
You provide endless talk, but you never back up your own claims.

Brad.

Yeah Brad. Its best to jump that ship. It aint goin nowhere. ;) It will always be demands that you provide to prove, but he never has to do anything of the like. And it will continue 'EXACTLY' like this for as long as you reply. look back 10 days ago. Same shit. 20 days ago. Same. It is what is was and it is what it is. Ever see the movie Boondock Saints?
"Where you goin? NO WHERE. " ;D

Heh. found clip    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdP2avo-Mfg

Just spend the posts on our work n make projects.  ;D

Wiping down the bench tomorrow and work on this. ;)

Also, that last post with the shots, I had 4 disk caps across the batt on the board I forgot of not thinking of their affect there.  Without them the freq increases and less noticeable. But with the 4 disks its swinging, so Ill go with that.

Mags

hoptoad

Quote from: sm0ky2 on March 10, 2016, 04:08:57 AM
snip...
NOT total system resonance, which is a prerequisite for resonant electronic circuits.
For your circuit to be considered "resonant",
It must fit the wine glass analogy.
snip..
Total system resonance is not a prerequisite for resonant electronic circuits. Where on earth did you get that idea from.?

A simple am radio receiver is a compound circuit (a total system) that relies on tunable resonance in one minor portion of the total circuitry only, that is, the tunable antenna system, which resonates in 'tune' with the radio carrier frequency being 'tuned' for. The rest of the circuit need not display any resonant activities whatsoever. The rest of the compound circuit is designed to separate the amplitude variations in the carrier signal (the audio frequency signal that's superimposed on the carrier) from the carrier frequency itself (for which the antenna system has been tuned to resonate with), and then amplify the separated electrical audio frequency, before converting it to sound via the speaker.
Resonance is not required in the separation, amplification and conversion stages of the circuit.
Cheers

tinman

Quote from: Magluvin on March 11, 2016, 12:41:31 AM
Yeah Brad. Its best to jump that ship. It aint goin nowhere. ;) It will always be demands that you provide to prove, but he never has to do anything of the like. And it will continue 'EXACTLY' like this for as long as you reply. look back 10 days ago. Same shit. 20 days ago. Same. It is what is was and it is what it is. Ever see the movie Boondock Saints?
"Where you goin? NO WHERE. " ;D

Heh. found clip    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdP2avo-Mfg

Just spend the posts on our work n make projects.  ;D

Wiping down the bench tomorrow and work on this. ;)

Also, that last post with the shots, I had 4 disk caps across the batt on the board I forgot of not thinking of their affect there.  Without them the freq increases and less noticeable. But with the 4 disks its swinging, so Ill go with that.

Mags

Perhaps MH would like to go and argue with all these other guy's that say the very same thing i have said,in regards to !what is resonance! ,instead of doing nothing other than providing nothing. :D

I find it hard to believe in some one that works in such ways,and either gets many things wrong,or misses vital required information when posting in reference to making determinations.
MHs top speed of a car example is a good example of required missing information to make such a determination.
Quote: How do you determine the maximum speed of your car in simple terms?
The answer is the maximum speed of the car is determined from where the maximum horsepower that can be output by the engine is in balance with all of the air friction and various other friction forces.
Although simple,it is incomplete,and a determination of the car's top speed cannot be made from the information provided as MH has clearly stated.
You can see he has only included frictional forces,while leaving out one other force that is vital in determining the top speed of the vehicle. This missing force provides the needed information about the environment in which the car will be traveling in,and without it,the determination cannot be made.

The problem we have here is very large,and can quite easily be seen as disinformation.
This is one of the reasons many people just give up,and one of the reasons man has not progressed any further than he has today. The problem being so called guru's trying to tell you that you are wrong,and are going about things the wrong way--you do not have the correct understanding to progress any further than you have--until you listen to me. These sort of comments come from people that have nothing to show to back up there claim's.They cannot even put together a completed,self presented example of making a simple determination that works. They do not even practice the art them self. They do not even see the effects in existing system's of that they are trying to preach.

These are time waster's,and are here only to make life hard.
They are people that cannot and do not answer there own question's--and yet expect others to answer these questions within days,and to be answered in the same twisted way that the presenter of the questions wants them answered in.

Mag's
I am spending the weekend down the coast a ways,on the boat. But i have begun work on a duel core resonant circuit,and should have it finished around mid week,next week.

Time to move on,as most of us have a grasp on what resonance is,and how it can reduces losses/increase efficiency's in all manor of different systems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzHajoDf1fg

Brad

tinman

Quote from: hoptoad on March 11, 2016, 01:00:43 AM
Total system resonance is not a prerequisite for resonant electronic circuits. Where on earth did you get that idea from.?

A simple am radio receiver is a compound circuit (a total system) that relies on tunable resonance in one minor portion of the total circuitry only, that is, the tunable antenna system, which resonates in 'tune' with the radio carrier frequency being 'tuned' for. The rest of the circuit need not display any resonant activities whatsoever. The rest of the compound circuit is designed to separate the amplitude variations in the carrier signal (the audio frequency signal that's superimposed on the carrier) from the carrier frequency itself (for which the antenna system has been tuned to resonate with), and then amplify the separated electrical audio frequency, before converting it to sound via the speaker.
Resonance is not required in the separation, amplification and conversion stages of the circuit.
Cheers

I agree hoptoad-you will never get every component in a switched electromagnetic circuit to be in resonance.
You only need the transmitting to receiving part of the device to be in resonance.


Brad

ramset

TinMan
while you soakin your tootsies in the beautiful oceans that abound in your part of the world.
contemplate Total resonance in a system [ICE}   a Huge standing wave, 8 HP per cubic inch normally aspirated
the standing wave coming out the tail pipe and injecting water after the tail pipe into "that " standing wave ??

it would be nice to know how much fuel is used to do this ,and as you mentioned.. how much heat is given off by the whole system [to add to energy calcs]

and How to do this in on the Bench with circuits and wire ??[as Johan hinted ...seemed cascading JT's ???

I actually am not certain that Robby's 50 CC 24 HP motor is doing this [water injection after the tailpipe.
nor am I understanding his cascading Jule thiefs ?

will have to Give Johan a ring on the weekend.

Have fun on the boat !



Whats for yah ne're go bye yah
Thanks Grandma