most promising water split

[wojwrobel]

hello

ok we need high voltage 20-60 KV according to patent there is no direct connection just a "voltage field" so it should be very efficient  details in patent US4427512

cheers from poland
wojsciech

[forest]

not at all, this patent is useless from two reasons:

1. it's costly to produce device due to costs of dielectric
2. for better output we need higher voltages, that mean thicker dielectric, that means smaller "working area"
, which means at the end we have very inefficient device

My thoughts only.

Regards from Poland

[Farrah Day]

You will note that this patent dates from 1984, and like many other patents (Meyer for example), the patent is useless. There is no discovery and no invention here.

With respect forest, it has nothing to do with dielectric costs, higher voltages or indeed inefficiencies. Quite simply, the science does not add up.

Applying high voltage across water may encourage it to ionise, but this does not provide hydrogen and oxygen, only ions. All that is achieved is a solution of water containing -OH and +H ions. What is missing is somewhere for the ions to exchange charges in order to become 2H and O. This patent like many others is flawed and nothing more than wishful thinking.

[lumen]

What is missing is somewhere for the ions to exchange charges in order to become 2H and O.

Wouldn't the water have charged regions as long as it remained as a dielectric, and when it's dielectric ability was exceeded, then the dielectric would break down. (separate into H2 and O)

[wojwrobel]

I'm not here to argue with you farrah day but Faraday made his invention with electrolysis in 1834 and it has nothing to do with age !!!! we still use it even if its over 100 years old ....

anyway its a point of view that we should take for further consideration ....

well until i will try it and it will or will not do the job i wont let it go....

and forest i don't think that ceramics (device) for poles with high voltages lines are that expensive ....

anyway I'm also working on other way called photolysis US20030183505
it combines some Meyer technique with laser to split acidic water vapor H5O2 

and a gift for you farrah day because you like new patents check this US7615138 dual voltage electrolysis from Nov 10 2009 (inventor claims 10x Faraday)
cheers
wojsciech