Ultracaps tested for excess energy

[MileHigh]

Bill:

Forget the verbal ping-pong.  You did not want me to express my ideas to Paul and I am telling you to stop this.

Also, if the proposition is that there is something special about supercaps then the burden of proof rests with those that claim this.  Plus they have to define what "something special" is, and back it up with measurements, and ideally suggest a model that can explain the alleged observed phenomena.  There is no burden of proof required when saying that supercaps are just another form of capacitor.

MileHigh

[Pirate88179]

Bill:

Forget the verbal ping-pong.  You did not want me to express my ideas to Paul and I am telling you to stop this.

MileHigh

What is verbal ping-pong about me saying let the man do the tests his way?  Again, if you don't agree with his methods, do your own tests.  What is so difficult about that?  I would love to see your evaluation of these caps.  Then your results could be compared to Paul's.  If there is a difference, we can then explore why.  I have seen this difference with my experiments so I suspect it is there.  But, if hard science and good testing says no, that's fine.  Then I must look for another way to explain my results, which I will then do.

I suggest you wait and see what the result are.  If Paul needs your help, I am sure he will ask for it.

Bill

[WilbyInebriated]

Bill:

With respect, don't call me the "peanut gallery."  You seem to have a strong desire to stifle opinion, which is the antithesis of what this place is all about.  I am trying to HELP Paul understand what is going on and your comments are not appropriate.  This is not a Joule Thief thread and discussing the accuracy of his measurements is absolutely relevant to what is going on here.  Dismissing this as a "peanut gallery" comment is just another form of book burning.

There is nothing special about supercaps and Paul's testing can help confirm this.

MileHigh

your opinion, milehigh, is just that, an opinion... and just what is this place all about? opinions? i think you are mistaken...
where is your experiment? where are your measurements? all you have is assumption and conjecture and opinion. which by the way we have heard again and again. we know what your opinion is, what we would like to know is where your experiment is and what your measurements are.

paul has enough knowledge to test it properly, why don't you put your money where your mouth is and help out by doing your own experiment, which as bill so astutely noted, can then be compared...

[MileHigh]

Paul is posting his results to discuss them with others and exchange ideas, which is what this place is all about.

Do you have something to say about Paul's test Bill and Wilby?  If yes please post and we can discuss it.

Note that Paul has already posted some results.

MileHigh

[Pirate88179]

MH:

I already did.  I said let him do his tests and we will see.  Look, this is Paul's topic and I don't want you to try to turn it into a shooting match, OK?  Wait for his results, or do your own tests with what you call "The right way", and then we will all know.  As I said, if Paul needs your help, I am sure he will ask for your opinions.  Until then, please, let's just see what he comes up with.  This is simple.

Bill