STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

[Pirate88179]

LOL, the problem at this forum is either a lack of mental power or paid posters. I keep telling you ding dongs that nearly all of the work that goes into the Orbo toroid core is when it's well into the saturation curve. Example, from say 95% saturated to 97% saturated. The core is nearly completely flat in the saturation curve. If you don't believe me then look at an Ising plot. Hello? Anyone home?

I'm not spending much time on you people anymore. By all means dwell in your silly and obvious disinformation acts. Paid posters IMO because the odds of nearly everyone in a thread being so dense is highly unlikely.

If you think I'm wrong about the energy coming back from the core then put your $ where your mouth is. Anytime.


Geez, doesn't anyone in this thread understand fundamental magnetic theory?  (http://Smileys/default/grin.gif)   Again, this based on fundamental magnetic theory & a lot of experiments that I've seen countless times.

Like I've said for years, no offense Stefan, but this forum would be the LAST forum in the world I would post the Smoking Gun, a self-runner, for obvious reasons. Anyone who does not know the reasons, please contact me in private.

Paul gets mad when I quote him but these are his words.  Be very careful what info you share with him.  His method is to take and not give.  Which is fine as long as everyone knows about it.  He is a very intelligent fellow to be sure.  But, he will take from this site what he can and run to the patent office.

Bill

[gravityblock]

Someone's finally paying attention. Now I'm not a member of the SKDB and have absolutely no inside knowledge. And I don't have the resources to test it myself. This is only coming from funny images flickering in my head. But even after a lot of research, I don't see why a minor loop between remanence and saturation wouldn't be ideal WRT to minimizing input energy costs, maximizing saturation, and maximizing any possible gains from the flyback.

There are some issues to watch out for. The DC input power must always be the same polarity and the flyback diode must prevent any reverse current in order to retain a maximum remanent magnetization. I also think each pair of rotor magnets should have the same orientation, but I'm not absolutely certain of this.

I've also mentioned some other factors that may come into play. I'm willing to give them some more attention whenever anyone is ready to listen to my rants.

I'll be honest, at this very moment my mind is split between the Minor Loop and returning the material back to it's virginal state.  I see the possible potential in both.  The Minor Loop has the advantages of everything you've just mentioned and I'm in agreement with your analysis.

I'm willing to listen to you rant about giving some of the other factors that may come into play, more attention.  I always try to pay attention, but I may not always comprehend immediately.  I'm a slow learner and it takes me time to digest this stuff.  I just hope I'm digesting it correctly.

@AirStriker:  I can't teach you what I don't know.  We'll have to learn this stuff together and we'll make mistakes along the way.  As long as we can learn from our mistakes and make the needed corrections as we move forward, we'll be alright.  We're going to do this and we're going to do this together.  The "we", is referring to everybody here.  The day we stop learning, is the day we die.  I'm very much alive, because I'm always learning from everybody here, including you.  Thanks to all.  If I don't learn it today, then I may learn it next week. 

Einstein said, "If you study something for one hour every day, you'll be an expert on that subject within a year".  If this was the case, then I should have been an expert on this a long time ago, because I spend nearly every waking moment on this stuff.  Actually I started studying the Orbo back in December, so it's only been around 3 months for 24 hrs a day, lol  (Look at my stats.  It shows my posting activity by time and you will see it is 24 hrs a day, http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;area=statistics;u=16774 ).  Like I said, I'm a slow learner.  My thoughts are haunted and Cuttingedge2005 knows what I'm talking about.

GB

[Airstriker]

GB... If you dont saturate the core, ORBO will not work. So you cannot stick to the linear part of M-H curve as it doesn't lead to saturation. We don't want saturation on magnetic tapes but we do want it on ORBO' core. If you don't have saturation in ORBO the rotor will stop right next to the core.
After all I think 0c might be right that going between remanence point and saturation point would be best (yes it's linear in Metglas for example). And that would indeed explain quite a big gap between rotor's magnets and core. In such case the magnets should be positioned in a way, that they (magnets) alone will not fully saturate the core and also in a way, that only very little electric power is needed to make it go into full saturation mode. Once again precision needed.

[ramset]

Paul

Fabulous business model you have for planet Earth!


Seeing all the "Moths" that have been drawn to the "FLAMES" of the US Patent office [and other incinerators around the world].

It will be nice to see someone "share" without all the "FLAMES" [a paradox].

Chet

PS
I think its up to 6000 incinerated patents??
"GREAT IDEA PAUL"!!
But you are a pretty fart smeller!
If nothing changes "nothing changes"

[lumen]

Here is an interesting discription of the operation of the old toroidal compasses they used to make before the new semiconductor sensors took over.

From the patent:

In accordance with well known flux gate principles, when an AC current, or a pulsed DC current, is applied to the exciter winding via its input terminals 33 and 35, a varying magnetic field is created in the core 11. When a magnetic core is thusly excited into saturation and placed in a magnetic field, such as the earth's magnetic field, the magnetic components of that field vary the voltage across the sense windings. More specifically, as the core moves into and out of saturation the intensity of the earth's magnetic field passing through the core changes. This change varies the voltage across the sensing windings. The variation in voltage can be analyzed in accordance with standard vector analysis techniques to determine the direction of the magnetic field within which the core has been placed, with respect to the legs of the core. In this manner, the voltages generated across the sense windings provide information related to the direction of the magnetic field within which the core, and associated windings, have been placed.