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[teslaalset]

Guys,

I studied the last sim data posted by Omnibus above.
It has occured to me that everyone is missing a crucial piece from the calculations, which is the energy stored in the capacitor. It is given by 0.5*C*Vc^2

Vc is the voltage across the cap and we have:
Vin = Vr + Vc ,         assuming Vr is the drop across the resistor
or Vc = Vin - Vr
         = Vin - I*R

So Etotal = Er + Ec
          = I^2*R + 0.5*100pF*(Vin-Iin*R)^2

Which will come out exactly equal to Ein = Vi*Ii

Similarly, in case of a coil, the energy stored is 0.5*L*I^2, which should be added in Eout. So even though the real power is dissipated only in the resistor, there is some energy that gets stored during every cycle in the inductor or cap.
If you don't believe me check out the attached modified file. And if you think I'm making some mistake, please let me know.
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@Omega,

E=P*t
P_R=I²*R
E_R=I²*R*t
(in case of DC, otherwise it becomes more complicated, integrals are used)

Additions in the spreadsheet are correct.

[blueplanet]

Guys,

I studied the last sim data posted by Omnibus above.
It has occured to me that everyone is missing a crucial piece from the calculations, which is the energy stored in the capacitor. It is given by 0.5*C*Vc^2

Vc is the voltage across the cap and we have:
Vin = Vr + Vc ,         assuming Vr is the drop across the resistor
or Vc = Vin - Vr
         = Vin - I*R

So Etotal = Er + Ec
          = I^2*R + 0.5*100pF*(Vin-Iin*R)^2

Which will come out exactly equal to Ein = Vi*Ii

I^2 * R = the power of the resistor, not Er   !!!!

Er = R int( I^2) dt

You will not be able to measure Ec and the so-called EL properly because they are too small.

[blueplanet]

I think, by now, the problem is obvious. If there is any real OU in this simple high pass filter, the conventional circuit theory would have been disproven scientifically a long time ago, not until you guys did this experiment. The great scientists of the past were no stupid.

[gravityblock]

I think, by now, the problem is obvious. If there is any real OU in this simple high  filter, the conventional circuit theory would have been disproven scientifically a long time ago, not until you guys did this experiment. The great scientists of the past were no stupid.

This whole theory thing was to make a comparison between theory and experiments.  We haven't been able to do a comparison between theory and the RC data from Ominibus's experiments yet (we won't be able to do this comparison until Omni releases the RC Data.  It hasn't been released due to a problem with his current excel configuration or installation.  The great scientists of the past didn't have access to a Hall effect current probe, advanced DSO's, and modernized computer systems to do heavy calculations in order to find any discrepancies in theory.


GB

[blueplanet]

A Hall effect current probe, advanced DSO's, and even a modernized computing system are no better than a simple spectrum analyzer, which you guys have not used in your experiment.

This whole theory thing was to make a comparison between theory and experiments.  We haven't been able to do a comparison between theory and the RC data from Ominibus's experiments yet (we won't be able to do this comparison until Omni releases the RC Data.  It hasn't been released due to a problem with his current excel configuration or installation.  The great scientists of the past didn't have access to a Hall effect current probe, advanced DSO's, and modernized computer systems to do heavy calculations in order to find any discrepancies in theory.


GB