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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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Reincarnate

Quote from: Omnibus on December 29, 2009, 03:33:46 AM
It's true more evidence is needed to sustain the Orbo claim which is that the rotor draws no energy from the power supply. As far as I understand Thane Heins' rotor does draw energy from the power supply and that makes it an entirely different invention.

No it doesn't, it "allegedly" makes Thane's motor less efficient. The only differences are toroids verses coaxial coils, size and friction as I stated.

Omnibus

Efficiency of the motor is none of our problems when discussing OU devices. It shouldn't even be mentioned. The crucial question is are there experiments proving that Thane Heins' rotor doesn't draw energy from the power supply. If that can be proved unequivocally Steorn will eat crow, lawsuit or no lawsuit.

By the way, is Thane Heins available for a commentary on Steorn's demo?

captainpecan

Why are you so bent on staying completely off topic and trying to send everyone to check out Thane's work?  We are not talking about Thanes work here.  There is a huge thread for Thanes work already, please lets stick to Orbo here in this thread.  I too have been watching Thanes work since his first couple video's hit you tube.  It's great stuff, but not exactly the same.  Although you feel some aspects may be similar, you have stated this plenty of times already.  We've got it okay, please let us work on Orbo. Thanes work is great, but what he is doing is feeding excess energy back to help the electric motor turn the generator.  There is no electric motor in Orbo at all.  The toroids ARE the motor. They are different.  I feel everyone SHOULD see Thanes work.  I have great respect for it.  But I respectfully ask that you let us work on Orbo over here.

teslaalset

Quote from: wings on December 29, 2009, 03:14:13 AM
Hi all

coincidence!

Yesterday I bought the Arduino manual thinking about how to solve the switch timing .

assuming that you need 5° accuracy timing with a 2500RPM you have 0.33 millisecond to run the software instructions it is enough??

A pratical solution is to use magnet pais like in the original video, in this case with N and S magnet you can reduce the interaction area improving the timing, increase the torque .... but reducing the effect and speed.

Instead to use a standard ferrite toroid ... wy not use a magnet toroid facing with opposit to the rotating magnet, like to Ossie experiment.

Ben , Ossie , Stefan all
Thanks for the information you have given me so far

Stefan please stop the music

Wings, I have my arduino already running.

Just a tip:
The default arduino boot-loader software uses a rather inefficient C-compiler.
That will not enable you in an easy way to get high output timing resolution.
I will use a programmer (Olimax) to be able to run the Admel processor using assembler language. By this you can easily obtain output resolution of 125 ns (most of the arduino's use 16 MHz clock freq),
As a reference: at 2400 rpm that will give you 360/200000 degrees resolution using one coil, one magnet

Another approach I am working out is to sample the induced voltage of the coils by the controller (the Atmel processors have an on-chip A/D converter). This will allow me to work without a seperate sensor

I'll take further discussions/questions on the Arduino controller method over PM to avoid cluttering this thread

wings

Quote from: callanan on December 29, 2009, 03:33:49 AM
Hi All,

I always knew of Steorn over the past few years because of their publicity but I was and am still pretty green in terms of understanding their technology prior to December the 15th 2009. I have had some correspondance with JLN in the past day or two and he has made me aware of the following which is very interesting.

"US 2009/0009157 A1 : SYSTEM AND METHOD FOR MEASURING ENERGY IN MAGNETIC INTERACTIONS : An apparatus and method is provided for measuring magnetic force response time due to the magnetic viscosity of materials and for measuring total energy exchanged due to relative motion of magnetic materials. Voltage and current versus time through an electromagnet is measured and recorded....
Inventors: Sean David McCarthy, Alan Simpson, Martin Flood, Maxime Sorin"

and

http://sites.google.com/site/steornlab/home

Regards,

Ossie



here the link

http://www.google.com/patents?id=1dOyAAAAEBAJ&zoom=4&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q=&f=true

and file