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STEORN DEMO LIVE & STREAM in Dublin, December 15th, 10 AM

Started by PaulLowrance, December 04, 2009, 09:13:07 AM

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exnihiloest

Quote from: happyfunball on December 11, 2009, 12:53:32 AM
If they're paying $$$ for ad space and intend to do nothing, as they have for the last 4+ years, that's just wrong. Playing Devil's Advocate, it could simply be a maneuver to keep investors paying Steorn's bills. I hope I'm wrong, but it really seems quite absurd at this point.

I think you are right. 4 years to make a small motor powered from a high capacity battery is the evidence.
It is not "Playing Devil's Advocate" but common sense.



Omnibus

Common sense? Common sense has always been that even 4000 years of effort won't bring even the smallest motor to display OU. However, it took only a couple of decades to accomplish that (those 4 years included). That's astounding.

eastcoastwilly

I would be interested to see someone attach a fan blade to the motors shaft. Then put a plastic or cardboard tube over top of the fan blade. On the other end of the tube mount a small fan blade or motor  (like a 12 volt pc fan) with the fan blade reversed to use the airflow to power the small generator.

I am interested to see one of these little guys under a small load.

I had seen someone on youtube a few months ago do this with a Bedini motor (I think) and was interested in the concept. Of course, I can't find the video now.

Keep up the great work everyone, it's very entertaining :)

Will

exnihiloest

Quote from: Omnibus on December 30, 2009, 05:42:30 AM
Like I said, if you really understood what's going on here you would've known that it is new and you wouldn't have even posted the above text.

What is possibly going on here:
According to the plausible explanation from Jean-louis Naudin, it is stated that the rotor magnet is attracted by the magnetic core of the ferrite toroid.
It is stated that a current pulse saturates the toroid core when the magnet is about to quit its nearest position from the toroid, allowing the magnet to freely continues its motion, or at least to be only partially retained by a force weaker than the first attractive force, resulting in a net force creating the motor torque.

It is stated that there is no action/reaction between the coil circuit and the rotor magnet, because the B field remains located in the toroid core.

Where is the fault? In the last point. When the rotor magnet approaches the toroid, the magnetic domains align along the magnetic flux of the magnet.
The magnetic domains (separated from one another by the "domain walls") can be thought like ensembles of current loops.
When a current pulse is provided to the coil, it establishes a magnetic field that re-aligns the magnetic domains. Energy is needed to exert this torque onto the "current loops" of the magnetic domains, against the torque due to the permanent magnet. Thus the permanent magnet and the field from the coil are linked. It is only the big power used to energized the coil (tens W in the Naudin experiment) in comparison to the weak power that the magnet provides (probably mW or tens of mW), that prevents to clearly observe their relation through their mutual actions onto the magnetic domains.

The explanation from JL Naudin is conventional. Only the conclusion that there would be over unity for the reason indicated above is clearly outside of the observed facts. In Steorn and Naudin experiments, there is none fact proving OU.