Recreating Besslers Wheel

[Cloxxki]

Ken, you mentioned Time Factor.
I've been breaking my head over some gravity wheels, and what to do about weight that take more time to do their work than to be reset. Straight up is simply a quicker way up. With sufficient intertia to get to the top, why waste time while you're going quick? I like a weight that gains height on it's own intertia aqap.
Is your Time Factor related to what I'm struggling with here?

[AB Hammer]

Cloxxki

Time factors of shifting are simple. If a wheel turns at 20 RPM you will have 3 second for your action. So how much time to overbalance and then to reset makes it allot less per action.

[Ken the Great]

Cloxxki,

When I say time factor, what I am talking about is in general and the failure to contemplate it.

You obviously are not ignoring the time factor because you ask "why waste time".

I see it this way, quicker is better to a point. Timing of the internal mechanisms however is much more important in my opinion.

If we are using gravity, then that would be a limiting factor on how fast the wheel could turn. Objects only fall so fast. The weights on the ascending side have to be in time with the descending side.

When we ponder this, we realize the distance the weights travel on the descending side must travel about 1.5 times as far as on the ascending side.
If we are shifting the weights to the axle.

So in fact the weights on the ascending side must travel SLOWER.
Or have a period where they stop, before descending.
How many designs can be eliminated once one realizes the ascending weights must travel slower?

It's the simple principles that reveal the most I think. And if a design is contrary to the principle. Then I would discard that aspect of the design.

Trade the speed of the weight at the bottom for power to shift it to the axle. That would be one idea I would look to do.

Well I have to go buy some things for a design modification on a medical device I am working on.

If I can be of help feel free to ask.

Ken

"A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice." 

[overtaker]

Ken said: 

Objects only fall so fast.


So true but an easy way to slow the rotation is to add a load, which is the objective in the first place.

[Ken the Great]

overtaker,

I agree to slow a wheel add a load. I think Cloxxki was wanting to make the wheel go faster, which would let him use more momentum of the weight to lift it.

At least that's what I thought he was talking about. He said why waste time? Which is a great question. The answer is, to stay in timing with the descending weights and not get ahead of them. So gravity limits the available momentum, and also the speed of the wheel.



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